Re: [decade] draft-ohlman-decade-add-use-cases-reqs-00
Song Haibin <melodysong@huawei.com> Tue, 09 March 2010 06:58 UTC
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From: Song Haibin <melodysong@huawei.com>
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Subject: Re: [decade] draft-ohlman-decade-add-use-cases-reqs-00
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Hi, I like this draft and think it is very interesting to discuss those requirements in the list. I list all the three requirements below and also with my comments in line. 2.1.1. Requirement The specification of DECADE SHOULD strive to make the DECADE in- network storage application-agnostic. As a verification of this effort DECADE SHOULD be specified in such a way that it can address at least one other application type, besides P2P applications. At this stage we say DECADE is P2P-application-agnostic. The motivation of DECADE is from P2P applications and P2P Cache. But it can be used by other applications with similar requirements (resource control to content requesters with data transfer from in-network storage, read/write ... ). Although I don't think including other applications will influence the architecture, but for the first step, it will introduce extra complexity. I guess when the basic requirements are solved (if the WG is charterd to do that), it is open to the extension disucssion in DECADE. 2.2.1. Requirement When certain content is popular and used by many users, the network part of DECADE SHOULD be able to store only one (or any limited number) copy of that data. The same data can then be used to serve requests from multiple DECADE users. I think we can take this as an optimization to the storage server. But it is not easy to dertermine the number of data copies. 3.1.1. Requirement DECADE SHOULD have the ability to support mobility of terminals/ users/applications by allowing the use of a data object that is available near a new location when moving. DECADE COULD also provide nomadic network storage. I'm not sure who will be responsible for the place where the contents should be located. Is it the end user or the network storage service provider. If it is the network storage service provider, then when and where should the data be moved? Xie Xie, Haibin > -----Original Message----- > From: decade-bounces@ietf.org > [mailto:decade-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of B?rje Ohlman > Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 11:39 PM > To: decade@ietf.org > Subject: [decade] draft-ohlman-decade-add-use-cases-reqs-00 > > Please find our new draft in the IETF drafts depository: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ohlman-decade-add-use-c > ases-reqs/ > > Best regards, > Börje Ohlman. et al > > -----Original Message----- > From: IETF I-D Submission Tool [mailto:idsubmission@ietf.org] > Sent: den 1 mars 2010 16:26 > To: Börje Ohlman > Cc: ove.strandberg@nsn.com; cdannewitz@upb.de; > andersl@sics.se; roberta.maglione@telecomitalia.it > Subject: New Version Notification for > draft-ohlman-decade-add-use-cases-reqs-00 > > > A new version of I-D, > draft-ohlman-decade-add-use-cases-reqs-00.txt has been > successfuly submitted by Borje Ohlman and posted to the IETF > repository. > > Filename: draft-ohlman-decade-add-use-cases-reqs > Revision: 00 > Title: Requirements for accessing data in > network storage > Creation_date: 2010-03-01 > WG ID: Independent Submission > Number_of_pages: 8 > > Abstract: > So far, the intended scope of the DECoupled Application Data Enroute > (DECADE) working group has mainly been focused on > peer-to-peer (P2P) applications. There are however many > non-P2P-based application that could also benefit from > in-network storage. The target of DECADE should thus specify > a protocol that is also suitable for generic applications > with certain characteristics and not only P2P applications. > This document enumerates a number of requirements that should > be considered during the design and implementation of this protocol. > > > > > The IETF Secretariat. > > > _______________________________________________ > decade mailing list > decade@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/decade >
- [decade] draft-ohlman-decade-add-use-cases-reqs-00 Börje Ohlman
- Re: [decade] draft-ohlman-decade-add-use-cases-re… Song Haibin
- Re: [decade] draft-ohlman-decade-add-use-cases-re… Strandberg, Ove (NSN - FI/Espoo)
- Re: [decade] draft-ohlman-decade-add-use-cases-re… Song Haibin
- Re: [decade] draft-ohlman-decade-add-use-cases-re… Y. Richard Yang