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Subject: Re: [Detnet] New Version Notification for draft-zhao-detnet-enhanced-use-cases-00.txt
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Hello Quan

Thank you for the draft about scaling deterministic networks use cases.

I think that the draft would benefit by adding compelling reasons for each use case why the use case would be multi-domain/cross domain use case.
I do think that just listing traffic characteristics (from 3GPP) would relieve what makes the use case specific for enhanced or scaled deterministic networks.
Maybe you could consider adding such justification into the draft?

Best regards
Hannu

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Hi WG,



I have just submitted a new draft to describe the enhanced use cases and network requirements for scaling deterministic networks which is mentioned at 117 meeting and they are not covered in RFC8578, such
as industrial internet, high experience Video and computing-aware applications, and analyzes the classification for the typical applications.



Welcome to review and comments to the enhanced use cases. Thanks!

Best Regards,

Quan


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From: internet-drafts@ietf.org<mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org> <internet-drafts@ietf.org<mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org>>
To: Junfeng Zhao <zhaojunfeng@caict.ac.cn<mailto:zhaojunfeng@caict.ac.cn>>;熊泉00091065;Zongpeng Du <duzongpeng@chinamobile.com<mailto:duzongpeng@chinamobile.com>>;
Date: 2023年10月23日 17:05
Subject: New Version Notification for draft-zhao-detnet-enhanced-use-cases-00.txt
A new version of Internet-Draft draft-zhao-detnet-enhanced-use-cases-00.txt
has been successfully submitted by Quan Xiong and posted to the
IETF repository.

Name:     draft-zhao-detnet-enhanced-use-cases
Revision: 00
Title:    Enhanced Use cases for Scaling Deterministic Networks
Date:     2023-10-23
Group:    Individual Submission
Pages:    13
URL:      https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-zhao-detnet-enhanced-use-cases-00.txt
Status:   https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-zhao-detnet-enhanced-use-cases/
HTML:     https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-zhao-detnet-enhanced-use-cases-00.html
HTMLized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-zhao-detnet-enhanced-use-cases


Abstract:

   This document describes use cases and network requirements for
   scaling deterministic networks which is not covered in RFC8578, such
   as industrial internet, high experience Video and computing-aware
   applications, and analyzes the classification for the three typical
   use cases and applications.



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