Re: [Din] DINRG Workshop (Interim Meeting) on the Centralization in the Internet
Dirk Kutscher <ietf@dkutscher.net> Mon, 31 May 2021 19:02 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Din] DINRG Workshop (Interim Meeting) on the Centralization in the Internet
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Hi everybody, thanks for staying tuned for our workshop on Thursday, June 3rd, 19:00 UTC to 22:00 UTC. https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2021-dinrg-01/session/dinrg Especially, thanks to everyone who submitted a contribution to the workshop and for agreeing to publish it in the meeting materials. We have updated the meeting agenda (also included below). As mentioned before, we wanted to focus this workshop on root causes of centralization in the Internet. We have decided to run the workshop with two panels: 1) WHY (Understanding different aspects of centralization) and 2) HOW (How Did we Get Here?). We have a great set of panelists. Due to the bank holidays in the US and UK (and possibly elsewhere), we are still waiting for some panelists to confirm. We will post an update once we have received confirmation by everyone. Hope to see many of you online on Thursday, Lixia and Dirk ----- DINRG Workshop (Interim Meeting) on the Centralization in the Internet ====================================================================== - June 3rd, 19:00 UTC to 22:00 UTC - [MeetEcho](https://meetings.conf.meetecho.com/interim/?short=ed3b91f7-04e0-4cdb-9477-f1014f5ca47b) - [Meeting Materials](https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2021-dinrg-01/session/dinrg) - [Meeting Notes and Bluesheet](https://codimd.ietf.org/irtf-dinrg-interim-2021-06-03) Agenda ------ | | | | | |-----|--------------------------------------|-------------|--------| | 1 | Welcome and Introduction | Chairs | 15 min | | 2 | Panel \#1: WHY: Is Big Really Bad? | | 60 min | | 3 | Break | | 15 min | | 3 | Panel \#2: HOW: How Did We Get Here? | | 60 min | | 4 | Open Discussion: Feedback, Thoughts | Chairs, All | 30 min | ### Panel \#1: WHY: Is Big Really Bad? #### Topics - Economic, societal, regulation perspective - Centralization in the Internet and Elsewhere #### Intro Talk: Geoff Huston #### Panel Moderator: Dirk Kutscher ### Panel \#2: HOW: How Did We Get Here? #### Topics - Architectural & technical discussion - Factors enabling centralization? #### Intro Talk: Christian Huitema #### Panel: Moderator: Lixia Zhang Motivation ---------- The networking community generally seems to agree that the Internet consolidation and centralization trend has progressed rapidly over the last few years, bringing impactful societal and economical consequences. To counter that trend, multiple studies and activities have been launched to decentralize the Internet and the Web (for example see https://blog.mozilla.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/IHPbriefs\_decentralization\_March\_2017.pdf, https://solidproject.org/, and https://www.decentralizedweb.net/, plus various Blockchain-inspired approaches). When the internet started as a completely decentralized system 40 years back, at that time perhaps few people, if any, could have foreseen where it is today. How did we get from there to here? What is driving aggregation and centralization in the Internet? What are the implications for industry actors and technology as well as for users/consumers? We believe that a good understanding of this question could make a good first step towards understanding whether it is possible/feasible, and if so, how, to steer the Internet away from centralization. Objectives ---------- The objective of this workshop is to start an open discussion on the above question to help clearly characterize centralization in the Internet and to discuss its root causes. That is, before jumping to discussing various potential solutions, we suggest taking a step back and discussing how we got from there to here, and what were the driving forces and enablers at each stage. We believe that a sound and evidence-based understanding is of key importance for devising any effective form of remedy and action plan. In particular, we would like to foster an understanding on the relationship of architectural properties and economic developments. For example, - whether any architectural features, or lack of them, made an impact on the internet ecosystem developments and business models; and - from a retrospective view, was there anything that might have been done differently, to have an impact on the course the Internet has taken? This is a complex problem with many relevant factors (technical and economic) and historic developments, so we would like to invite contributions on all of these aspects to this first workshop which may likely lead to further in-depth follow-up discussion. A result of this workshop could indeed be a more substantiated agenda for more focused future research in DINRG. Workshop Submissions -------------------- This is the input that was submitted before the workshop. Thanks to all contributors! 1. [Measuring Web Centralization, Trinh Viet Doan](https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2021-dinrg-01/materials/slides-interim-2021-dinrg-01-sessa-measuring-web-centralization-trinh-viet-doan-00) 2. [Centralization is about Control, not Protocols, Henning Schulzrinne](https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2021-dinrg-01/materials/slides-interim-2021-dinrg-01-sessa-centralization-is-about-control-not-protocols-henning-schulzrinne-00) 3. [Protocol and Engineering Effects of Consolidation, Dominique Lazanski](https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-lazanski-consolidation/) 4. [Centrality in the Internet, Geoff Huston](https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2021-dinrg-01/materials/slides-interim-2021-dinrg-01-sessa-centrality-in-the-internet-geoff-huston-00) 5. [We are probably doomed to Internet consolidation, but we should still try do something., Christian Huitema](https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2021-dinrg-01/materials/slides-interim-2021-dinrg-01-sessa-we-are-probably-doomed-christian-huitema-00) 6. [How We Got from There to Here: Searching for the Root Cause, Lixia Zhang](https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2021-dinrg-01/materials/slides-interim-2021-dinrg-01-sessa-searching-for-the-root-cause-lixia-zhang-00) 7. [Mitigation Options against Centralization in DNS Resolvers, Jari Arkko](https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2021-dinrg-01/materials/slides-interim-2021-dinrg-01-sessa-mitigation-options-against-centralization-in-dns-resolvers-jari-arkko-00) 8. [Decentralization != Equality?, Trinh Viet Doan](https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2021-dinrg-01/materials/slides-interim-2021-dinrg-01-sessa-decentralization-equality-trinh-viet-doan-00) 9. [Decentralized Data Infrastructures for the New Digital Economy, Thomas Hardjono](https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2021-dinrg-01/materials/slides-interim-2021-dinrg-01-sessa-decentralized-data-infrastructures-for-the-new-digital-economy-thomas-hardjono-00) 10. [Autonomy is the real goal, Phillip Hallam-Baker](https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2021-dinrg-01/materials/slides-interim-2021-dinrg-01-sessa-autonomy-is-the-real-goal-phillip-hallam-baker-00) 11. [Focus on Standards Adoption, Charles Eckels](https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2021-dinrg-01/materials/slides-interim-2021-dinrg-01-sessa-focus-on-standards-adoption-charles-eckels-00)
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