Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC is designed to break mail, Example of Indirect Mail Flow Breakage with p=reject?
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Subject: Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC is designed to break mail, Example of Indirect Mail Flow Breakage with p=reject?
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On Thu, 13 Apr 2023, Dotzero wrote: > It also isn't that " IT DOES NOT MATTER IF YOUR MAIL GETS LOST". It matters > but there is a calculus regarding the tradeoffs of a very small percentage > (in the case of my former a very small fraction of a percent) of email not > getting delivered vs the damage caused to recipients of malicious emails > involving direct domain abuse. ... Well, yes, I oversimplified a little for effect. In your case, you know all the places that should be sending mail with your name on it, no random third party ESPs or mailing lists, and you know who should be getting it. So if a trickle ends up at mailing lists or ticketing systems or any of the other things that munge messages on the way through, you don't care about that trickle. Regards, John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Taughannock Networks, Trumansburg NY Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly
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