Re: [dmarc-ietf] Overall last-call comments on DMARC

[Dotzero <[e-mail]>]

On Thu, Apr 4, 2024 at 1:42 PM Murray S. Kucherawy <[e-mail]>
wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 4, 2024 at 10:21 AM Douglas Foster <
> [e-mail]> wrote:
>
>> Murray, I was hoping your proposal to advance ARC was serious.
>>
>
> If people think (and have evidence that) ARC is ready, then why would I
> not be serious?
>
> The WG needs to resolve that "if" though.
>

A while back in the working group I asked people to provide data showing
the efficacy of ARC. The response was crickets. What I see now is a bunch
of hand waving but again, no data that can be evaluated. I am not against
ARC but it needs to be evaluated on its own merits. It is a separate
document and should not be conflated with DMARC. I'll also point out that
WGLC is the inappropriate time to throw something new in the hopper, "just
because".


>
>
>> To Ale's concerns, I think a registration process would help mailing
>> lists, but there are many options, and we do not need to define one single
>> solution.   Most of the mailbox providers already have a registration
>> process for bulk senders, with a feedback loop for problem situations.  I
>> see plenty of opportunity for them to build on that.
>>
>
> This also needs to be described if we think that's a part of the solution.
>

Again, WGLC is not the appropriate time to start throwing out new and
undocumented proposals.

>
> My overall point is that this thread makes it seem like we're not putting
> forward a complete solution.  It feels a lot more like a proposed standard
> that for its clear success depends on a bunch of other things that range
> from experimental to abstract to undefined.  And if that's a correct
> summary, I'm asking if that's what we really want to do.  It seems a little
> haphazard, like we're scrambling to tie together the loose ends of a movie
> plot.  We need to do a good job of bringing our audience to as solid a
> conclusion as possible, or the critics' reviews might not come out well.
>

My response to your statement "... this thread makes it seem like we're not
putting forward a complete solution." is a complete solution to what? It
seems like people are trying to throw in everything but the kitchen sink,
including new proposals and rehashing old issues that were supposedly
settled, as we go through last call.

Michael Hammer