Re: [dmarc-ietf] Debugging and preventing DKIM failures- suggestion
Dave Crocker <dhc@dcrocker.net> Fri, 31 May 2019 04:41 UTC
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Subject: Re: [dmarc-ietf] Debugging and preventing DKIM failures- suggestion
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On 5/30/2019 7:49 PM, Douglas E. Foster wrote: > I rather hoped that IETF would be the poster-boy for list processing > done correctly. "Correctly"? A message to a list is 'delivered' to the list. As in, it goes to the specified addresse... the list. A message from a list has been re-posted by the list. There are no constraints on the changes that are permitted to a message, before it is re-posted. There are no specifications that limit or direct the behaviors of a list processor. Different groups want and probably need different behaviors by a list processor. Periodic efforts to create such constraints have failed. So while it would certainly make things easier to have list processors behave in a simple, consistent manner, there's ample evidence that ain't gonna happen. If you can link the 'correctly' you are suggesting, to some documented, community consensus, please cite it. d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net
- [dmarc-ietf] Debugging and preventing DKIM failur… Douglas E. Foster
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Debugging and preventing DKIM fa… Дилян Палаузов
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Debugging and preventing DKIM fa… John Levine
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Debugging and preventing DKIM fa… John Levine
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Debugging and preventing DKIM fa… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Debugging and preventing DKIM fa… John R Levine
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Debugging and preventing DKIM fa… Douglas E. Foster
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Debugging and preventing DKIM fa… Dave Crocker
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Debugging and preventing DKIM fa… Douglas E. Foster
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Debugging and preventing DKIM fa… Dotzero
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Debugging and preventing DKIM fa… Doug Foster
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Debugging and preventing DKIM fa… John R Levine
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Debugging and preventing DKIM fa… Dave Crocker
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Debugging and preventing DKIM fa… Dave Crocker
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Debugging and preventing DKIM fa… Dave Crocker
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Debugging and preventing DKIM fa… John Levine
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Debugging and preventing DKIM fa… Hector Santos
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Debugging and preventing DKIM fa… Hector Santos
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Debugging and preventing DKIM fa… Elizabeth Zwicky
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Debugging and preventing DKIM fa… Hector Santos
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Debugging and preventing DKIM fa… Stan Kalisch