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Re: [dmarc-ietf] PSD simplification

"John Levine" <johnl@taugh.com> Fri, 14 December 2018 01:54 UTC

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From: John Levine <johnl@taugh.com>
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Subject: Re: [dmarc-ietf] PSD simplification
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In article <2046741.GJeexbxHFF@kitterma-e6430> you write:
>In previous examples, this has been analogized  to the Verisign sitefinder 
>debacle.  Personally, I think it's worse.  Without an external check, this is 
>a tool for enhancing the surveillance capacity of authoritarian regimes.

This is starting to sound like the drunk looking for his keys by the
streetlight.

I grant the hypothetical point you're making, but if I were a cruel
government, funky DMARC records would not be near the top of my list
of intrusive techniques.

R's,
John

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