Re: [DMM] Call for adoption of draft-clt-dmm-tn-aware-mobility-08 as a WG document
Kiran Makhijani <kiranm@futurewei.com> Tue, 05 January 2021 16:10 UTC
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From: Kiran Makhijani <kiranm@futurewei.com>
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Subject: Re: [DMM] Call for adoption of draft-clt-dmm-tn-aware-mobility-08 as a WG document
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Joel, I should let authors clarify further. >From what I understood, TN-mobility is non-conflicting to IETF-slice definitions/framework. Because, in TEAS, we create a logical IETF slice by mapping underlying network infrastructure (IP/optical), mobility document does not care about that part. It does the connection of this existing IETF logical slice to RAN-slice with the help of management entity above the network slice controller. This is inline with IETF-NS framework and progressing in parallel. I 100% agree with the basic sentiment that TEAS should be informed about this work and document should explain alignment with IETF NS framework. -Kiran > -----Original Message----- > From: Joel M. Halpern <jmh@joelhalpern.com> > Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 5:46 PM > To: Kiran Makhijani <kiranm@futurewei.com>; Joel M. Halpern > <jmh@joelhalpern.com>; dmm@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [DMM] Call for adoption of draft-clt-dmm-tn-aware-mobility-08 as > a WG document > > Kiran, the TEAS work is focused on defining the structures and semantics for an > interface to request services from what 3GPP calls a transport network. It > seems really odd for another working group to define how to map to the > "transport" network differently from the way TEAS is defining > it. If the TEAS definitions are wrong, we need to fix them. If they > are right, we need to use them. Having another document that attempts to > define the mapping separately seems like a recipe for difficulties. > > Yours, > Joel > > On 1/4/2021 8:39 PM, Kiran Makhijani wrote: > > Hi Joel, > > The IETF network slices work under teas focuses on control and managing > slices 'with in' the IP/MPLS networks. Actually, in TEAS 3GPP is just one of the > use cases not the only use case. Also, TEAS wanted to replace "transport" > because it could mean different things. > > > > But this document only focuses on 3GPP mobility scenarios and heavily relies > on terms and components used in 5G architecture - here 'transport network' is > a standard term. The work presented here is new and covers mobility > procedures and corresponding mappings between AN and UPFs. > > > > I have read this document and I agree the relationship between the 2 > activities should be discussed (once TEAS adopts slice terminology/framework), > maybe in section 2.7. But I feel this is not a major change to the way > procedures are described in the document. > > > > I support this work. > > FWIW, I think a bit restructuring of the document will improve its readability. > For example, section 2 should be split into 'xhaul background' and 'TN mobility > procedure' - things related to mapping and management of TN context and its > mobility. > > > > -Kiran > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: dmm <dmm-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Joel M. Halpern > >> Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 4:23 PM > >> To: dmm@ietf.org > >> Subject: Re: [DMM] Call for adoption of > >> draft-clt-dmm-tn-aware-mobility-08 as a WG document > >> > >> Hmmm. > >> > >> It seems to me that this document ought to align with the ongoing > >> work in the TEAS working group that is attempting to define > >> terminology and framework (and then any necessary protocol > >> mechanisms) for IETF network slices. That work is explicitly intended to > support 3GPP end-to-end network slices. > >> > >> First, the discussion there exlicitly conluded that the term "Transport" > >> was confusing and misleading. Which is why the work is now called > >> IETF network slicing. > >> > >> Second, it seems that we want one IETF framework for this, not two > >> competing frameworks. Why is DMM doing this separately. It seems to > >> fall squarely into CCAMP and TEAS. I presume we want a solution that > >> works for 3GPP and works for other use cases? > >> > >> Yours, > >> Joel M. Halpern > >> > >> On 1/4/2021 7:11 PM, Linda Dunbar wrote: > >>> Support WG adoption. > >>> > >>> Linda Dunbar > >>> > >>> ------------------- > >>> From: *Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)* > >>> <sgundave=40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org > >>> <mailto:40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org>> > >>> Date: Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 10:45 AM > >>> Subject: [DMM] Call for adoption of > >>> draft-clt-dmm-tn-aware-mobility-08 > >>> as a WG document > >>> To: dmm <dmm@ietf.org <mailto:dmm@ietf.org>> > >>> > >>> Folks: > >>> > >>> The authors of the document, Transport Network aware Mobility for > >>> 5G, have presented the proposal and the need for standardization in > >>> multiple IETF WG meetings. There have been good amount of > >>> discussions in the mailers and there is some level of interest for > >>> the work from the community. We are therefore considering the > >>> adoption of this document as a DMM WG document, to be moved on > >>> Informational Standards > >> track. > >>> > >>> *Transport Network aware Mobility for 5G* > >>> > >>> https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fto > >>> ol > >>> s.ietf.org%2Fhtml%2Fdraft-clt-dmm-tn-aware-mobility- > >> 08&data=04%7C0 > >>> > >> > 1%7Ckiranm%40futurewei.com%7C93dbff7d775842c2409108d8b1101f02%7C > >> 0fee8f > >>> > >> > f2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C637454030107896985%7CUnkn > >> own%7CTW > >>> > >> > FpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVC > >> I6 > >>> > >> > Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=34KQ%2Fo0EvC8uta4EF1pa3i1N5etAd6RKUcU > >> 8%2BH72rW > >>> I%3D&reserved=0 > >>> <https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ft > >>> oo > >>> ls.ietf.org%2Fhtml%2Fdraft-clt-dmm-tn-aware-mobility- > >> 08&data=04%7C > >>> > >> > 01%7Ckiranm%40futurewei.com%7C93dbff7d775842c2409108d8b1101f02%7 > >> C0fee8 > >>> > >> > ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C637454030107906979%7CUnk > >> nown%7CT > >>> > >> > WFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJX > >> VCI > >>> > >> > 6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=YR1gDCJtkfwjBxxsBtSYbbbQZpUlDzp3IXraMq > >> BXA0w%3 > >>> D&reserved=0> > >>> > >>> With this background, we would like to ask the WG to provide some > >>> feedback on their interest for this work. 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- [DMM] Call for adoption of draft-clt-dmm-tn-aware… Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)
- Re: [DMM] Fwd: Call for adoption of draft-clt-dmm… Jeff Tantsura
- Re: [DMM] Fwd: Call for adoption of draft-clt-dmm… Sridhar Bhaskaran
- Re: [DMM] Call for adoption of draft-clt-dmm-tn-a… Linda Dunbar
- Re: [DMM] Call for adoption of draft-clt-dmm-tn-a… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [DMM] Call for adoption of draft-clt-dmm-tn-a… Kiran Makhijani
- Re: [DMM] Call for adoption of draft-clt-dmm-tn-a… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [DMM] Call for adoption of draft-clt-dmm-tn-a… Flinck, Hannu (Nokia - FI/Espoo)
- Re: [DMM] Call for adoption of draft-clt-dmm-tn-a… Kiran Makhijani
- Re: [DMM] Call for adoption of draft-clt-dmm-tn-a… Uma Chunduri
- Re: [DMM] Call for adoption of draft-clt-dmm-tn-a… Muley, Praveen (Nokia - US/Mountain View)
- Re: [DMM] Call for adoption of draft-clt-dmm-tn-a… Kaippallimalil John
- Re: [DMM] Call for adoption of draft-clt-dmm-tn-a… Joel Halpern Direct
- Re: [DMM] Call for adoption of draft-clt-dmm-tn-a… Uma Chunduri
- Re: [DMM] Call for adoption of draft-clt-dmm-tn-a… Uma Chunduri
- Re: [DMM] Call for adoption of draft-clt-dmm-tn-a… Majumdar, Kausik
- Re: [DMM] Call for adoption of draft-clt-dmm-tn-a… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [DMM] Call for adoption of draft-clt-dmm-tn-a… Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: [DMM] Call for adoption of draft-clt-dmm-tn-a… Kaippallimalil John
- Re: [DMM] Call for adoption of draft-clt-dmm-tn-a… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [DMM] Call for adoption of draft-clt-dmm-tn-a… Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)
- Re: [DMM] Call for adoption of draft-clt-dmm-tn-a… Z.W. Yan
- Re: [DMM] Call for adoption of draft-clt-dmm-tn-a… Luis M. Contreras
- Re: [DMM] Call for adoption of draft-clt-dmm-tn-a… Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)
- Re: [DMM] Call for adoption of draft-clt-dmm-tn-a… Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)
- Re: [DMM] Call for adoption of draft-clt-dmm-tn-a… Dongjie (Jimmy)
- Re: [DMM] Call for adoption of draft-clt-dmm-tn-a… Uma Chunduri
- Re: [DMM] Call for adoption of draft-clt-dmm-tn-a… Uma Chunduri
- Re: [DMM] Call for adoption of draft-clt-dmm-tn-a… Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)