Re: [DMM] Mobility Exposure and Selection WT call
Jouni Korhonen <jouni.nospam@gmail.com> Thu, 26 March 2015 18:17 UTC
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Subject: Re: [DMM] Mobility Exposure and Selection WT call
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Alex, 3/26/2015, 11:00 AM, Alexandru Petrescu kirjoitti: [snip] >> I thought by "fixed" you meant it stays the same wherever the Host goes >> (something like the Home Address). > > Alper - I think a LL address can also be qualified as 'fixed' - it never > changes. Does LL here mean link-local or link-layer? If it is the former one, then the above assertion is not correct. - Jouni > > I think it's hard to disagree with that, no? > > Alex > >> >> So, I guess, I should have referred to the "nomadic" address to mean the >> one that is constant, wherever the Host goes. >> >> As such, my suggestion is that a "nomadic" address can never be an >> RFC7217 address. >> >> In practice that would mean that if you configure an address to be >> "nomadic" you must also tell the kernel to not run RFC7217 on it. >> >> But ok, one might think that these two aspects ("nomadic" and RFC7217) >> are orthogonal at this point in time. >> >> Alex >> >>> >>> I don't know if it makes sense to request a fixed and random-based IP >>> address. But if someone does it, it works. >> >> >>> >>> Alper >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>> - configured by SLAAC, by DHCPv6, by PPP, or registered (RFC >>>>>> 6775). >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Orthogonal. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> E.g. a nomadic address could never be a link-local address. >>>>>> >>>>>>> #2. Describe how IP address type information is conveyed from >>>>>>> network to MN. >>>>>> >>>>>> If one designs a protocol to convey address type information from >>>>>> the network to the end node, then one could also add the other >>>>>> types mentioned above. >>>>>> >>>>>> SLAAC could never 'convey' the address type to the end-node, >>>>>> because SLAAC is an operation happening with as heavy weight from >>>>>> the Server (router) as from the Client (Host): the Router decides >>>>>> the prefix but the Client decides the Interface ID. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Still, the network can convey the type of IP address to the host. >>>>> Also, one can imagine augmenting Router Solicitation to let the host >>>>> convey its requested type. >>>> >>>> I agree. >>>> >>>> Alex >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Address Registration Option of 6lo and BTLE would have the Host >>>>>> conveying this information to the Router (and not vice-versa). >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> OK. >>>>> >>>>> Alper >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Yours, >>>>>> >>>>>> Alex >>>>>> >>>>>>> WT agreed to use draft-yegin-dmm-ondemand-mobility as the >>>>>>> baseline for item#1 (the API). A revision of the draft will also >>>>>>> include a new section to cover backward compatibility (Danny will >>>>>>> provide the draft text). Comments on the draft are welcome. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The next call will be about items #2/#3 (IP address >>>>>>> configuration enhancements associated with the API). We intend to >>>>>>> schedule that one in about 2 weeks. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Alper >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Feb 9, 2015, at 9:59 AM, Alper Yegin wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Folks, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> See below for the Webex details. Remember, the call is on Tue, >>>>>>>> Feb 10, at 4pm CET. And don't forget to read the documents in >>>>>>>> the reading list prior to the call. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Attendees _shall read _the following material before the call >>>>>>>>> so that we can directly jump to the discussions: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 1. >>>>>>>>> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/91/slides/slides-91-dmm-4.pdf >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> 2. http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/90/slides/slides-90-dmm-6.pdf >>>>>>>>> 3. >>>>>>>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-yegin-dmm-ondemand-mobility/ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> 4. http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/88/slides/slides-88-dmm-8.pdf >>>>>>>>> 5. http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-liu-dmm-mobility-api-02 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Alper >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *DMM - Mobility Exposure and Selection WT* Tuesday 10 February >>>>>>>> 2015 16:00 | Europe Time (Paris, GMT+01:00) | 1 hr 30 min >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *Join WebEx meeting* >>>>>>>>> <https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=m1dad9871a277ff2ab142ae8ff4b77ad3> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> Meeting number:641 085 326 >>>>>>>>> Meeting password:dmm1911 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *Join by phone* *1-877-668-4493* Call-in toll free number >>>>>>>>> (US/Canada) *1-650-479-3208* Call-in toll number (US/Canada) >>>>>>>>> Access code: 641 085 326 Toll-free calling restrictions >>>>>>>>> <http://www.webex.com/pdf/tollfree_restrictions.pdf> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Add this meeting >>>>>>>>> <https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=m0855d524ccb7239248d0ce34e19f38c8> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> to your calendar. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Can't join the meeting? 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If you do not consent to being recorded, discuss >>>>>>>>> your concerns with the host or do not join the session. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <WebEx_Meeting.ics> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Jan 27, 2015, at 11:12 AM, Alper Yegin wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Poll is closed, and majority selected the following date for >>>>>>>>> the call: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Feb 10, 4pm CET. 1,5hr call. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Please mark your calendars. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> In this call, we'll aim making progress on the I-D for item#1 >>>>>>>>> (an API for source address selection). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Attendees _shall read _the following material before the call >>>>>>>>> so that we can directly jump to the discussions: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 1. >>>>>>>>> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/91/slides/slides-91-dmm-4.pdf >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> 2. http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/90/slides/slides-90-dmm-6.pdf >>>>>>>>> 3. >>>>>>>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-yegin-dmm-ondemand-mobility/ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> 4. http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/88/slides/slides-88-dmm-8.pdf >>>>>>>>> 5. http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-liu-dmm-mobility-api-02 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Alper >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Jan 23, 2015, at 3:28 PM, Alper Yegin wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Folks, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Please mark your availability on the following doodle for >>>>>>>>>> our next DMM WG Mobility Exposure and Selection WT call: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://doodle.com/7xgcr8x6cgxnbzur >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Register your availability no later than the end of Monday >>>>>>>>>> (Jan 26). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Alper >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ dmm mailing list >>>>>>> dmm@ietf.org <mailto:dmm@ietf.org> >>>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ dmm mailing list >>>>>> dmm@ietf.org <mailto:dmm@ietf.org> >>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dmm mailing list >> dmm@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > dmm mailing list > dmm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm
- Re: [DMM] Mobility Exposure and Selection WT call Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [DMM] Mobility Exposure and Selection WT call Alexandru Petrescu
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- Re: [DMM] Mobility Exposure and Selection WT call Alexandru Petrescu
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- Re: [DMM] Mobility Exposure and Selection WT call Alexandru Petrescu
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- Re: [DMM] Mobility Exposure and Selection WT call Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [DMM] Mobility Exposure and Selection WT call… Alper Yegin
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