Re: [DMM] conclusion of adoption calls

[Thierry Ernst <[e-mail]>]

What are protocols you think no one uses ? 

MIPv6 and NEMOv6 needs maintenance, and probably more than than maintenance. 

Regards,
Thierry Ernst.


> Le 8 janv. 2016 à 20:48, Behcet Sarikaya <[e-mail]> a écrit :
> 
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 12:34 PM, Jouni.nosmap <[e-mail]> wrote:
>> Well one can always pursue ISE/AD sponsored track if one so feels like.
>> 
>> Just saying there are options..  if one desires to go through the WG process DMM has provisions for Mobile IPv6 protocol family maintenance work.
>> 
> 
> I started this thread by stating that:
> 
> Let me ask what is the point in maintaining the protocols that no one uses?
> For academic purposes? If yes, then they should find their places in
> the conferences or journals.
> 
> No one objected to the first point.
> 
> So what is the justification for maintenance? As I said before,
> charter items can be changed or they do not have to be used.
> 
> Behcet
>> Jouni
>> 
>> Sent from a smart phone.. Mind the typos..
>> 
>>> Behcet Sarikaya <[e-mail]> kirjoitti 8.1.2016 kello 9.15:
>>> 
>>>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 10:39 AM, Jouni Korhonen <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> As Sri pointed out DMM is OK to work on "maintenance-oriented extensions of
>>>> the Mobile IPv6 protocol family". So this is likely the venue within IETF.
>>>> Mobile IPv4 as such has no place here.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Why not ISE? For both MIPv6 and MIPv4.
>>> Of course you may not be able modify existing RFCs but just write it
>>> as a new draft and do not bother dmm where future protocol work is
>>> supposed to be done.
>>> 
>>> Behcet
>>> 
>>>> - Jouni
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 1/8/2016, 6:50 AM, Thierry Ernst kirjoitti:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Alex, all,
>>>>> 
>>>>> My understanding of what Jouni wrote is that it’s fine to work on MIP6
>>>>> improvement, but the MIP4 can live its life as is, to which I totally agree.
>>>>> And I also agree with Alex that we need to fix bugs in MIP6 (and the related
>>>>> suite, in particular NEMO) and progress them in the standard track. It has
>>>>> been too long since we last work on those and now it is certainly right to
>>>>> do it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> So, the question is if DMM is the right place or not to do the work, if
>>>>> not I would like to hear about alternatives within the IETF.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Thierry.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Le 8 janv. 2016 à 13:54, Alexandre Petrescu
>>>>>> <[e-mail]> a écrit :
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Le 22/12/2015 04:56, Jouni a écrit :
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Behcet,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thank you for your constructive comments. I believe academic
>>>>>>> conferences/journals are not appropriate venues for PMIPv6/MIPv6
>>>>>>> maintenance since these protocol families are already past their
>>>>>>> prime time as “hot research topics". Looking at the existing charter
>>>>>>> I cannot find too much love towards anything IPv4 so I think we can
>>>>>>> let MIPv4 finally rest in peace.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Jouni I can agree with you in general.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> But let me suggest that MIPv4 and MIPv6 are two implementations very
>>>>>> important in some places including where I work.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> They are no longer 'hot' as you say, but there are certainly protocol and
>>>>>> implementation bugs which need correction.  Actually some of the corrections
>>>>>> have already been applied but are not reflected in RFCs.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sometimes there is a feeling of frustration if implementations thrive
>>>>>> where WG cares little.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> <provocative> a widespread implementation of MIP6 is still bugged and
>>>>>> does not respect the MIPv6 RFC - do you want that discussed
>>>>>> publicly?</provocative>.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Alex
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> - Jouni
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 21 Dec 2015, at 09:46, Behcet Sarikaya <[e-mail]>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hi Jouni, all,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Let me ask what is the point in maintaining the protocols that no
>>>>>>>> one uses? For academic purposes? If yes, then they should find
>>>>>>>> their places in the conferences or journals.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Now, mip4 WG has been closed. So is dmm going to maintain mip4 as
>>>>>>>> well?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Behcet
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 5:45 AM, Carlos Jesús Bernardos Cano
>>>>>>>> <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Hi Jouni, all,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Although I'm already late, I just wanted to express my
>>>>>>>>> post-adoption call to the three drafts.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Carlos
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 2015-12-16 at 08:32 -0800, Jouni Korhonen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Folks,
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> The WG adoption call for all three I-Ds have completed:
>>>>>>>>>> draft-gundavelli-dmm-lma-controlled-mag-params-00
>>>>>>>>>> draft-yan-dmm-hnprenum-03 draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> The adoption for the first two was unanimous. The last
>>>>>>>>>> (draft-seita- *) received few concerns but the number of
>>>>>>>>>> supporters was enough to convince the chairs there is enough
>>>>>>>>>> interest and support to work on it. The chairs encourage the
>>>>>>>>>> authors of draft-seite-* to pay close attention and work out
>>>>>>>>>> the concerns raised during the adoption call.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> For the I-D authors. Please, submit draft-ietf-*-00 versions of
>>>>>>>>>> the documents as soon as possible.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> - Jouni & Dapeng
>>>>>>>>>> 
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