[dns-privacy] Moving things along...

Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net> Wed, 18 February 2015 19:48 UTC

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Subject: [dns-privacy] Moving things along...
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Dear DPRIVE,

Apologies for the lack of momentum - your chairs had gotten
sidetracked by holidays, lots of travel, day-jobs, etc and have not
been giving the WG the time it deserves.

Getting things moving again, we need to decide on a way forward.

We now have 2 primary document sets under consideration:
A: Phillip Hallam-Baker's set:
DNS Privacy and Censorship: Use Cases and Requirements -
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hallambaker-dnse-02
Service Connection Service (SXS) -
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hallambaker-wsconnect-08
Private-DNS - http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hallambaker-privatedns-01

B:  The combined USC/Information Sciences, Verisign, VPN Consortium doc
TLS for DNS: Initiation and Performance Considerations -
draft-hzhwm-dprive-start-tls-for-dns

We have 3 possible options here:
1: Adopt Phillip's set
2: Adopt the hzhwm-dprive-start-tls-for-dns doc
3: Adopt both, with the understanding that one will fall by the wayside.

I''d appreciate it if the WG can read both sets of documents, and
start deciding which option best meets the WG's goals.

We expect to get the Aziz / Allison Mankin evaluation document next
week, which will contain ways of describing the privacy goal and
helping evaluate how well it is attained; but we can, and should, read
the document sets before that.

W


-- 
I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad
idea in the first place.
This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing
regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair
of pants.
   ---maf