Re: [DNSOP] draft-yoneya-dnssec-kskro-failure-recovery-01

Phil Regnauld <regnauld@nsrc.org> Thu, 06 September 2012 09:08 UTC

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From: Phil Regnauld <regnauld@nsrc.org>
To: Yoshiro YONEYA <yoshiro.yoneya@jprs.co.jp>
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] draft-yoneya-dnssec-kskro-failure-recovery-01
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Yoshiro YONEYA (yoshiro.yoneya) writes:
> 
> Indeed, the document is imcomplete, and need feedbacks from experiences. 

	There are indeed many ways to facilitate recovery, not all of them
	practical or realistic.

	Here's one that's more in the realm of prevention, but would faciliate
	recovery, assuming the implementation doesn't suffer from the same
	operational errors that led the zone owner to consider recovery in
	the first place, and assuming the DS-set has been completely borked
	by the parent:

	Case 6: always have a backup (fallback) DS, published alongside the
	existing (production) DS record or records (during rollover) currently
	associated with the currently active (production) KSK.
	Keep this backup KSK in a safe place, and in case of serious SNAFU with
	the existing DS-KSK couple, pull the backup KSK out of the Safe Place,
	and start signing the ZSK with that. The DS-set containing the active +
	backup KSK being by definition always published, this should allow for
	faster convergence (assuming a fairly low TTL for the DNSKEY RRset in
	the signed zone).

	The problem with the ID may be that there are so many different ways
	of doing this (hinted at by the phrase "Registration system (or zone
	generation system) of parent zone will be complicated.")...

	Phil