Re: [DNSOP] updated to draft-wing-dnsop-structured-dns-error-page-01

Petr Špaček <pspacek@isc.org> Fri, 12 November 2021 15:39 UTC

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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] updated to draft-wing-dnsop-structured-dns-error-page-01
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On 12. 11. 21 15:26, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 11, 2021 at 12:59:42PM +0100,
>   Vittorio Bertola <vittorio.bertola=40open-xchange.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote
>   a message of 24 lines which said:
> 
>> I don't want to speak for them (I don't know if they are on this
>> list, but they definitely are on ADD) but in past discussions around
>> this concept they recognized its potential usefulness (apart maybe
>> from a specific browser which seems to have a principle stance
>> against DNS filters) but were concerned about the security of the
>> mechanism, i.e. the risk that it could be used to present to the
>> user a phishing or misleading page,
> 
> Moreover, I have serious doubts that DNS configuration errors could be
> meaningfully reported to end users. It would be very difficult to make
> them understandable and, since we deal with errors in authoritative
> servers, the client could not do anything, anyway.
> 
> I have nothing against informing users (some will find that useful)
> but we should focus on reporting to the zone manager, not to the
> client.

Seems like you are talking about a different document? Or are you 
suggesting the document to be dropped entirely because it goes in a 
completely wrong direction?

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Petr Špaček