Re: [DNSOP] Barry Leiba's Yes on draft-ietf-dnsop-qname-minimisation-08: (with COMMENT)

Tim Wicinski <tjw.ietf@gmail.com> Thu, 17 December 2015 11:34 UTC

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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] Barry Leiba's Yes on draft-ietf-dnsop-qname-minimisation-08: (with COMMENT)
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On 12/17/15 5:15 AM, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 09:35:19PM -0800,
>   Barry Leiba <barryleiba@computer.org> wrote
>   a message of 125 lines which said:
>
>> I found the document to be a difficult read because of the
>> language. [...] We do better when we avoid this kind of invective in
>> our standards specs, [...] We really shouldn't write standards that
>> sound like rants...
>
> Interesting. I don't remember these issues about tone being raised in
> the working group. What do you think?
>

Stephane

I remember suggesting some edits to make the document say things a bit 
more polite, but 1) I seemed to have missed this; but 2) the document is 
listed as Experimental for now, with the idea there would be a more 
formal document that reached Proposed Standards.

tim