Re: [DNSOP] SIG(0) useful (and used?)

Vladimír Čunát <vladimir.cunat+ietf@nic.cz> Fri, 22 June 2018 13:41 UTC

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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] SIG(0) useful (and used?)
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On 06/22/2018 12:27 AM, Ted Lemon wrote:
> Thanks. In the case where a zone isn’t signed but the authoritative
> server supports SIG(0), the response could be verified that it
> includes exactly what the server sent. But the KEY would need to be
> DNSSEC validated or it probably can’t be trusted to verify the SIG(0)
> response.

Well, the path to the resolver can be secured via other means that are
commonly available nowadays, e.g. DNS over TLS.  I can also see use
cases for client trusting a resolver enough not to bother with DNSSEC
validation locally.

--Vladimir