[DNSOP] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for DNSSEC draft
Jim Reid <jim@rfc1035.com> Wed, 09 July 2025 18:09 UTC
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Subject: [DNSOP] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for DNSSEC draft
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> On 9 Jul 2025, at 18:24, Petr Špaček <pspacek@isc.org> wrote: > > Can you clarify source of your confidence about this 'not causing issues'? Mental arithmetic. There are 2^16 possible key tags => there's a one in 2^15 chance a new tag clashes with an existing one. If a DNSSEC key changes every day, it'll take 2^15 days (~100 years) on average before there's a collision. That's good enough for my definition of "not causing issues". YMMV. I accept there's a theoretical possibility of a key tag clash causing issues Petr. IMO that possibility is just too low to bother about. If this has caused actual operational problems, surely this WG would have heard about them by now. AFAICT it hasn't. You said partially bogus RRSIG RRsets can cause a validator to exceed its limit of allowed validation attempts. Fine. So please suggest how to fix that problem. It's not clear to me how key tag collisions has any bearing on how to deal with bogus RRSIGs.
- [DNSOP] Collision Free Key Tags for DNSSEC draft Shumon Huque
- [DNSOP] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for DNSSEC dr… John Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for DNSSEC dr… Peter Thomassen
- [DNSOP] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for DNSSEC dr… Libor Peltan
- [DNSOP] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for DNSSEC dr… Paul Wouters
- [DNSOP] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for DNSSEC dr… John R Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for DNSSEC dr… Yorgos Thessalonikefs
- [DNSOP] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for DNSSEC dr… John Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for DNSSEC dr… Petr Špaček
- [DNSOP] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for DNSSEC dr… John Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for DNSSEC dr… Petr Špaček
- [DNSOP] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for DNSSEC dr… Libor Peltan
- [DNSOP] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for DNSSEC dr… Petr Špaček
- [DNSOP] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for DNSSEC dr… John R Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for DNSSEC dr… Jim Reid
- [DNSOP] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for DNSSEC dr… Ted Lemon
- [DNSOP] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for DNSSEC dr… John Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for DNSSEC dr… Ted Lemon
- [DNSOP] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for DNSSEC dr… Petr Špaček
- [DNSOP] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for DNSSEC dr… Jim Reid
- [DNSOP] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for DNSSEC dr… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for DNSSEC dr… Peter Thomassen
- [DNSOP] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for DNSSEC dr… Mark Andrews
- [DNSOP] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for DNSSEC dr… Steve Crocker
- [DNSOP] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for DNSSEC dr… Mark Andrews
- [DNSOP] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for DNSSEC dr… Steve Crocker
- [DNSOP] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for DNSSEC dr… John Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for DNSSEC dr… Warren Kumari
- [DNSOP] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for DNSSEC dr… John R Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for DNSSEC dr… Mark Andrews
- [DNSOP] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for DNSSEC dr… John R Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for DNSSEC dr… Warren Kumari
- [DNSOP] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for DNSSEC dr… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for DNSSEC dr… Ralf Weber
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for… Paul Hoffman
- [DNSOP] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for DNSSEC dr… John R Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for… Paul Wouters
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for… John Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for… Paul Wouters
- [DNSOP] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for DNSSEC dr… John Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for… Libor Peltan
- [DNSOP] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for DNSSEC dr… John R Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for… John Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for… Petr Špaček
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for… John Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for… John R Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for… Mark Andrews
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for… Shumon Huque
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for… Petr Špaček
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Collision Free Key Tags for DNS… Paul Hoffman
- [DNSOP] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for DNSSEC dr… Ondřej Surý
- [DNSOP] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for DNSSEC dr… Yorgos Thessalonikefs
- [DNSOP] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for DNSSEC dr… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for DNSSEC dr… Paul Wouters
- [DNSOP] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for DNSSEC dr… John R Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for DNSSEC dr… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for DNSSEC dr… Mark Andrews
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for… Paul Hoffman
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for… Paul Hoffman
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for DNSSEC dr… John Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for DNSSEC dr… John Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for DNSSEC dr… Mark Andrews
- [DNSOP] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for DNSSEC dr… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for DNSSEC dr… Mark Andrews
- [DNSOP] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for DNSSEC dr… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for DNSSEC dr… Paul Wouters
- [DNSOP] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for DNSSEC dr… John Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for DNSSEC dr… Ondřej Surý
- [DNSOP] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for DNSSEC dr… John Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for DNSSEC dr… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for DNSSEC dr… Ted Lemon
- [DNSOP] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for DNSSEC dr… John R Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for DNSSEC dr… Libor Peltan
- [DNSOP] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for DNSSEC dr… John R Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for DNSSEC dr… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for DNSSEC dr… Mark Andrews
- [DNSOP] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for DNSSEC dr… John Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for DNSSEC dr… Mark Andrews
- [DNSOP] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for DNSSEC dr… Petr Špaček
- [DNSOP] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for DNSSEC dr… Joe Abley
- [DNSOP] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for DNSSEC dr… Paul Wouters
- [DNSOP] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for DNSSEC dr… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for DNSSEC dr… John Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for DNSSEC dr… Petr Špaček
- [DNSOP] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for DNSSEC dr… Miek Gieben
- [DNSOP] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for DNSSEC dr… Petr Špaček
- [DNSOP] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for DNSSEC dr… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for DNSSEC dr… Peter Thomassen
- [DNSOP] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for DNSSEC dr… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for DNSSEC dr… John R Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for DNSSEC dr… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for DNSSEC dr… Peter Thomassen
- [DNSOP] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for DNSSEC dr… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for DNSSEC dr… Libor Peltan
- [DNSOP] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for DNSSEC dr… Johan Stenstam
- [DNSOP] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for DNSSEC dr… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for DNSSEC dr… Libor Peltan
- [DNSOP] Re: Collision Free Key Tags for DNSSEC dr… John R Levine