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Re: [DNSOP] Fwd: [Add] new draft: draft-grover-add-policy-detection-00

Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com> Tue, 16 July 2019 13:41 UTC

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From: Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 06:41:06 -0700
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] Fwd: [Add] new draft: draft-grover-add-policy-detection-00
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On Mon, Jul 15, 2019 at 8:53 PM Rob Sayre <sayrer@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, Jul 15, 2019 at 8:14 AM Paul Vixie <paul@redbarn.org> wrote:
>
>> On Monday, 15 July 2019 02:17:04 UTC Rob Sayre wrote:
>> > On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 6:59 PM Paul Vixie <paul@redbarn.org> wrote:
>> > > ...
>> >
>> > I'm surprised that you seem to view DoH as a problem. I mean, everyone
>> knows
>> > that TLS and IPSEC are compromised by determined attackers, ...
>>
>> if you know a way that modern TLS 1.3 can be compromised by MiTM
>
>
> I think some parties just ask for the certs, if they can't acquire them
> due to negligence.
>

The certs are public information, so having the certs isn't useful. Can you
please be clearer about the attack you are describing?

-Ekr




>
>
>> , i'd like to
>> know more. a lot of us are moving from MiTM to explicit outbound proxy
>> with an
>> internally trusted key in order to fulfill our corporate or regulatory
>> obligations.
>>
>> > but I didn't know
>> > it was a continued sore spot. If you have more to say, I would like to
>> hear
>> > it.
>>
>> the introduction of the DoH RFC explains that this protocol is designed
>> to
>> prevent interference by on-path actors in dns operations. i am a
>> committed,
>> determined on-path interferer, both for parental controls at home and
>> corporate controls at $dayjob.
>>
>
> This response is disappointing to me, but I have to congratulate its
> directness.
>
> thanks,
> Rob
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