Re: [domainrep] I-D Action: draft-ietf-repute-media-type-03.txt
Steve Allam <steve.allam@trustsphere.com> Thu, 19 July 2012 15:51 UTC
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Subject: Re: [domainrep] I-D Action: draft-ietf-repute-media-type-03.txt
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It depends. If my assertion is "does this sender ALWAYS send good messages", the rating would be 1 or 0 If my assertion is "what percentage of mail is good from this sender", the rating will be somewhere between 0 and 1 Hence, the rating can be whatever the application author wants it to be, repute just provides the framework. Steve On 19/07/2012 16:43, 邓光青 wrote: > > Hi, folks, before mentioning the RATER, RATED and RATING, let’s look > back: what should the judge do towards the suspect in court.Usually, > the judge should sentence the suspect to be either guilty or innocent; > no judge will sentence a suspect to be 50% guilty (or innocent)! To > some extent, the role of RATER, RATED and RATING is similar to that of > the judge, suspect and verdict, respectively. In my opinion, the > RATERshould have a clear position towards the RATED; so the RATING > should be either 0 or 1, no other floating-point number between 0 and 1. > > > > 2012/7/19 Steve Allam <steve.allam@trustsphere.com > <mailto:steve.allam@trustsphere.com>> > > Hi, > > Maybe also worth pointing out that the reputation application that > is being used (ficticious in this case) would have its own > description of how it used the rating item, and how the number > should be interpreted - in a similar way to many anti-spam systems > that provide a score, they normally provide information on what > different levels of that score mean and how you might use them - > as the user, you can then do whatever you like, but the > recommendations are provided. > > As a further example, in our reputation application, the RATING > item in the repute response will be either 0 or 1, never anything > inbetween, as we are simply returning a true or false - our > documentation will detail how you may wish to use the 0 or 1 as well. > > Regards, > > Steve > > > > > On 18/07/2012 18:37, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: >> On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 6:29 AM, 邓光青 <dgq2011@gmail.com >> <mailto:dgq2011@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> >> Consider this case: >> >> Content-type: application/reputon+json >> >> { >> >> "reputon": >> >> { >> >> "rater": "RatingsRUs.example.com >> <http://RatingsRUs.example.com>", >> >> "rater-authenticity": 1.0, >> >> "assertion": "IS-GOOD", >> >> "rated": "Alex Rodriguez", >> >> "rating": 0.5, >> >> "sample-size": 50000 >> >> } >> >> } >> >> …indicates that we are absolutely *sure* (1.0) that the >> entity "RatingsRUs.example.com >> <http://RatingsRUs.example.com>" consolidated 50000 data >> points (perhaps from everyone in Yankee Stadium) and >> concluded that Alex Rodriguez may be *good* or be *bad* (0.5) >> at something. Besides, if "rater-authenticity" equals 0.5 but >> "rating" equals 1.0, it is also very hard to understand. >> >> >> >> I interpret that reply to mean, literally: RatingsRUs.example.com >> <http://RatingsRUs.example.com> collected 50,000 data points >> about Alex Rodriguez. It is 100% certain that "Alex Rodriguez" >> refers to a real thing. The data collected indicates that the >> claim "Alex Rodriguez is good" is 50% true. >> >> As a person reading this, I take that to mean he's not good but >> also not bad at whatever the application space covers, or that >> it's 50% likely that he's good. >> >> -MSK >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> domainrep mailing list >> domainrep@ietf.org <mailto:domainrep@ietf.org> >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/domainrep > > > > _______________________________________________ > domainrep mailing list > domainrep@ietf.org <mailto:domainrep@ietf.org> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/domainrep > > > > > -- > Guangqing Deng >
- [domainrep] I-D Action: draft-ietf-repute-media-t… internet-drafts
- Re: [domainrep] I-D Action: draft-ietf-repute-med… 邓光青
- Re: [domainrep] I-D Action: draft-ietf-repute-med… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [domainrep] I-D Action: draft-ietf-repute-med… Steve Allam
- Re: [domainrep] I-D Action: draft-ietf-repute-med… 邓光青
- Re: [domainrep] I-D Action: draft-ietf-repute-med… Steve Allam
- Re: [domainrep] I-D Action: draft-ietf-repute-med… Guangqing Deng