Re: 2nd suggested revision for MUST/SHOULD
Charles Lindsey <chl@clw.cs.man.ac.uk> Sat, 29 July 2000 02:14 UTC
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From: Charles Lindsey <chl@clw.cs.man.ac.uk>
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Subject: Re: 2nd suggested revision for MUST/SHOULD
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On Fri, 28 Jul 2000 09:29:23 -0400 Keith Moore <moore@cs.utk.edu> said... > > > But I see little point in repeating the 2119 text in full. > > as Dan pointed out, there is language in 2119 (specifically > section 6) that over-constrains use of 2119. since 2119 > was published it is apparent that there are valid reasons > to use 2119 keywords that are not "actually required for > interoperation or to limit behavior which has potential > for causing harm" ... especially when we base try to define > conformance to the specification strictly in terms of > these keywords. > > the normal workaround (until 2119 is revised) is for a > document to provide its own definitions of MUST/SHOULD/etc. > I suppose we could try referencing 2119 with a disclaimer > that section 6 does not apply...and see if that gets by IESG. > if we wanted to try this I'd strongly recommend that someone > approach the author of 2119 first and ask him in person about it. Well we wanted to do something long those lines in USEFOR, so we asked the higher ups in IESG (specifially the Area Director, who will be the same Area Director as DRUMS, I imagine) whether we were allowed to contemplate such a thing. Specifically, we wanted either to extend the use of SHOULD to encompass things that were not strictly necessary for interoperability, but which were nevertheless highly desirable for the smooth functioning of Usenet. Alternatively, we asked if we could define a word OUGHT for that purpose. We were told in no uncertain terms that we could not do either of those things. The most we would be allowed to do would be to use "ought" in lower case for such things (which is what we will likely now do). So with that precedent established, I hardly see how DRUMS can make any substantial departure from 2119. But yes, referencing 2119 with such disclaimers as you think appropriate would be the right way to do it, if you can get the powers that be to allow it. Charles H. Lindsey ---------At Home, doing my own thing------------------------ Email: chl@clw.cs.man.ac.uk Web: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~chl Voice/Fax: +44 161 437 4506 Snail: 5 Clerewood Ave, CHEADLE, SK8 3JU, U.K. PGP: 2C15F1A9 Fingerprint: 73 6D C2 51 93 A0 01 E7 65 E8 64 7E 14 A4 AB A5
- Re: 2nd suggested revision for MUST/SHOULD Charles Lindsey
- Re: 2nd suggested revision for MUST/SHOULD Nick Shelness/SSW/Lotus
- Re: 2nd suggested revision for MUST/SHOULD Keith Moore
- Re: 2nd suggested revision for MUST/SHOULD D. J. Bernstein
- Re: 2nd suggested revision for MUST/SHOULD Michael Scharff
- Re: 2nd suggested revision for MUST/SHOULD Bart Schaefer
- Re: 2nd suggested revision for MUST/SHOULD Keith Moore
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- Re: 2nd suggested revision for MUST/SHOULD Keith Moore
- Re: 2nd suggested revision for MUST/SHOULD Charles Lindsey
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