Re: [Emailcore] Ticket #5: G.5. Remove or deprecate the work-around from code 552 to 452?

Jeremy Harris <jgh@wizmail.org> Thu, 11 March 2021 22:07 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Emailcore] Ticket #5: G.5. Remove or deprecate the work-around from code 552 to 452?
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On 11/03/2021 21:18, John C Klensin wrote:
> If it
> is in need to changing, it would be to change the SHOULD to a
> MUST since that appears to be what everyone is doing anyway.


No, it is not.  Exim does not treat a received 5xx as a 4xx.
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Cheers,
   Jeremy