Re: [Enum] Comments on draft-ietf-enum-infrastructure-enum-reqs
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From: "Pfautz, Penn L, GBLAM" <ppfautz@att.com> >There is also a lot of test discussing what is a "carrier-of-record". >But it seems to me that this is not a good idea -- if "infrastructure >ENUM" is to mean anything, the concept of the "carrier-of-record of an >E.164 number" must *already* be defined by some mechanism outside of >ENUM. It might be useful to elucidate what the various possibilities >are, but the text must make clear that carrier-of-record is externally >defined. Moving the discussion to section 2.2 seems to be a good idea. I believe the bullets in 2.1 make clear that carrier-of-record *is* externally defined and how in an easy to operationalize way while noting that national regulators have the final say. I found the discussion quite confusing. Let me try to explain why: At the end of paragraph 2 of section 2.1, it says 'The "carrier-of-record" is:', and since the section is titled "Definition", this suggests that section 2.1 is authoritative in defining the term. Then there are three bullets which are presented as alternatives to each other, but it's not particularly clear which one applies in what cases. And at the end, there is a sentence saying the national authorities might change all this -- which suggests that the national authorities are the authoritative definition anyway. (BTW, shouldn't that last sentence be "It is understood that the definition of carrier-of-record for E.164 numbers associated with a geographic area is subject to modification by the national authorities with jurisdiction over that geographic area."? Otherwise, it sounds like the definition depends on the jurisdiction of where the reader is standing, not where the number is standing.) The central problem is that this section doesn't make it clear what the authoritative definition is. IMO, it needs to state first that the authoritative definition is in the telco universe. If it then wants to provide an explanation which is *likely* to remain consistent with the authoritative definition, that's fine. But the explication has got to be explicitly marked as non-authoritative, especially because it is in a section titled "Definition". (Remember -- You work for AT&T and are very familiar with the concept of carrier-of-record. I (and most of your readers) have only a vague idea of what carrier-of-record might mean.) This requirement was to address a specific request from the chairs that queries not simply be dropped on the floor without response causing re-queries and traffic flood. The requirement you propose is actually much different and, while the initial (e.g., Tier 1) response may not be origin-sensitive, further processing is likely to be since A carrier may have different POIs for different interconnection partners. OK, I hadn't looked at it like that. But then I think the second sentence of item 2 would be better phrased "Queries must not be discarded without response..." -- "rejected" to my mind means an explicit error response. I doubt the DNS RFCs use the term "rejected", but an NXDOMAIN response seems pretty close to "rejected" to me, especially if it was generated due to some permissions situation, rather than because there *really isn't* any information for that name. I think the carrier-of-record definition has clear implications about the relationship Of infrastructure ENUM to number portability: if the number ports the right to register it moves to the recipient carrier as well. If it's understood in the telco world that number porting changes the carrier-of-record of the number, then I see no reason to mention it in the I-D. Dale _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum
- [Enum] Comments on draft-ietf-enum-infrastructure… Dale.Worley
- RE: [Enum] Comments on draft-ietf-enum-infrastruc… Pfautz, Penn L, GBLAM
- Re: [Enum] Comments on draft-ietf-enum-infrastruc… Dale.Worley
- Re: [Enum] Comments on draft-ietf-enum-infrastruc… Dale.Worley
- RE: [Enum] Comments on draft-ietf-enum-infrastruc… Stastny Richard
- Re: [Enum] Comments on draft-ietf-enum-infrastruc… Otmar Lendl
- Re: [Enum] Comments on draft-ietf-enum-infrastruc… Tony Rutkowski
- Re: [Enum] Comments on draft-ietf-enum-infrastruc… lconroy
- RE: [Enum] Comments on draft-ietf-enum-infrastruc… Pfautz, Penn L, GBLAM
- Re: [Enum] Comments on draft-ietf-enum-infrastruc… Dale.Worley
- RE: [Enum] Comments on draft-ietf-enum-infrastruc… Stastny Richard
- Re: [Enum] Comments on draft-ietf-enum-infrastruc… lconroy
- Re: [Enum] Comments on draft-ietf-enum-infrastruc… Dale.Worley