RE: [Enum] NITS review of draft-ietf-enum-infrastructure-03
Peter Williams <home_pw@msn.com> Fri, 05 January 2007 16:11 UTC
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> Richard> PS: Paul, your UK Information Commission arguments are> very similar to the discussion on how many angels may dance on a pin> > Otmars mentioning about mobile phones kills this argument anyway I'm not so sure about these angles on the pinhead where each angel espies the world from its facet for a living, unseen, covert, only sometimes visible: not quite among us but scheming nonetheless to organize the pins just so, the facets at just the right angle. Several trends are going on. Layer 2 switching is doing much of what IPv6 was supposed to have done. Stacked switches and tunneling is making often making IP routing meaningless. LANs, MANs and PANs are evolving according to their own convergence dynamics. TLS and its handshakes are doing what IPSEC/ISAKMP were supposed to have done. WS-Security stack is doing what the upper layer OSI stack was supposed to have done. All these are attacking the concept of the Network OS, that propelled Internet adoption - and necessarily stymied other ways of thinking about technology adoption in secure global networking. On the other hand, voip family is so much more effective than H323 gateways, particular in repurposing legacy local loops. But again, we see layer 2 switching and vlans impacting IP, particular in mobile IP where a channel, a port, a vlan, a fragment, and a nic have already converged into the same thing, given 802.1x. In the wired world, we see the BRI D channel coming back into vogue, enabling voice and ethernet termination convergence even in the US as streaming QOS begins to issue demands for tv (on no!, Milo Medin was right all along!). In ENUM we obviously see the E.164 number as a switching/routable address, again. Stripped from .arpa, the role of the DNS as an IP/ICMP technology is not as obviously necessary for the resolution process as it was: it may be the fallback when nothing better exists beyond ARPA control. The privacy principles relevant to the convergence of telephone and IP are by no means clear. Much of US internet thinking is set in stone: the past of data vs voice, VANs vs telcos, backbone vs P2P, packet surveillance vs traditional voice wiretapping, security vs privacy. But swords are pulled from stones, as lots of 5 years olds know. _________________________________________________________________ Type your favorite song. Get a customized station. Try MSN Radio powered by Pandora. http://radio.msn.com
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- [Enum] NITS review of draft-ietf-enum-infrastruct… Alexander Mayrhofer
- RE: [Enum] NITS review of draft-ietf-enum-infrast… Richard Shockey
- Re: [Enum] NITS review of draft-ietf-enum-infrast… lconroy
- Re: [Enum] NITS review of draft-ietf-enum-infrast… Alexander Mayrhofer
- RE: [Enum] NITS review of draft-ietf-enum-infrast… Richard Shockey
- RE: [Enum] NITS review of draft-ietf-enum-infrast… Livingood, Jason
- RE: [Enum] NITS review of draft-ietf-enum-infrast… Livingood, Jason
- RE: [Enum] NITS review of draft-ietf-enum-infrast… Livingood, Jason
- Re: [Enum] NITS review of draft-ietf-enum-infrast… Clive D.W. Feather
- Re: [Enum] NITS review of draft-ietf-enum-infrast… home_pw
- Re: [Enum] NITS review of draft-ietf-enum-infrast… lconroy
- RE: [Enum] NITS review of draft-ietf-enum-infrast… Michael Hammer (mhammer)
- Re: [Enum] NITS review of draft-ietf-enum-infrast… Lupton, Ronan
- Re: [Enum] NITS review of draft-ietf-enum-infrast… Clive D.W. Feather
- Re: [Enum] NITS review of draft-ietf-enum-infrast… Clive D.W. Feather
- RE: [Enum] NITS review of draft-ietf-enum-infrast… Michael Hammer (mhammer)
- Re: [Enum] NITS review of draft-ietf-enum-infrast… Tony Rutkowski
- Re: [Enum] NITS review of draft-ietf-enum-infrast… Andrew Newton
- Re: [Enum] NITS review of draft-ietf-enum-infrast… Lupton, Ronan
- Re: [Enum] NITS review of draft-ietf-enum-infrast… Otmar Lendl
- RE: [Enum] NITS review of draft-ietf-enum-infrast… Rosbotham, Paul
- Re: [Enum] NITS review of draft-ietf-enum-infrast… Otmar Lendl
- RE: [Enum] NITS review of draft-ietf-enum-infrast… Richard Shockey
- RE: [Enum] NITS review of draft-ietf-enum-infrast… Antoin Verschuren
- Re: [Enum] NITS review of draft-ietf-enum-infrast… Otmar Lendl
- Re: [Enum] NITS review of draft-ietf-enum-infrast… Stastny Richard
- RE: [Enum] NITS review of draft-ietf-enum-infrast… Richard Shockey
- RE: [Enum] NITS review of draft-ietf-enum-infrast… Peter Williams
- RE: [Enum] NITS review of draft-ietf-enum-infrast… Richard Shockey
- Re: [Enum] NITS review of draft-ietf-enum-infrast… Stastny Richard
- Re: [Enum] NITS review of draft-ietf-enum-infrast… Dale.Worley
- Re: [Enum] NITS review of draft-ietf-enum-infrast… Stastny Richard
- RE: [Enum] NITS review of draft-ietf-enum-infrast… Michael Hammer (mhammer)
- Re: [Enum] NITS review of draft-ietf-enum-infrast… Otmar Lendl
- Re: [Enum] NITS review of draft-ietf-enum-infrast… Jay Daley