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Re: [gaia] The European Broadband Award 2015 goes to the guifi.net community network

"L. Aaron Kaplan" <aaron@lo-res.org> Tue, 17 November 2015 17:42 UTC

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From: "L. Aaron Kaplan" <aaron@lo-res.org>
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Subject: Re: [gaia] The European Broadband Award 2015 goes to the guifi.net community network
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> On 17 Nov 2015, at 18:30, guifipedro <guifipedro@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 6:17 PM, L. Aaron Kaplan <aaron@lo-res.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 17 Nov 2015, at 18:08, Jim Forster <jrforster@mac.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Roger,
>>> 
>>> Yes, I’ve talked with Ramon and read the paper,  at least sort of understand the concepts, but perhaps some examples would be useful to further understand this fascinating structure.  For instance, how are these sort of situations handled?
>>> 
>>> * Individual in a more remote area wants to join, some extra work is required to get him connected (trench fiber, or install 1-2 radio relay sites).  Work is done, he’s happy.  In theory others could use this sort of backbone, but if they don’t, how is the cost handled?
>>> 
>>> * An area already connected, with 20-50 people using some shared back bone links.  Most are very happy with the service, but a few want much faster service? What is the process to make this decision to upgrade the backbone?  How are costs shared?   Do the 90% have to pay for for part of the upgrade?  Are the 10% out of luck if the 90% don’t want to pay for upgraded infrastructure?
>>> 
>>> * Similarly, in a area with service; speed is found to be declining.  After some investigation it’s determined that a few users are consuming most of the bandwidth on a critical backbone link.
>>> 
>> 
>> I believe the answer is: it gets fixed if possible.
>> :)
>> That’s no different to what other ISPs do.
> 
> No
> 
> TL;DR
> ISP is topdown, guifi.net is bottom up

Yes, I know that :)
But fixing issues is a technical issue and it just needs to get done.
By *whoever* does it.

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