Re: [gaia] The European Broadband Award 2015 goes to the guifi.net community network

[Roger Baig Viñas <[e-mail]>]

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Jim,

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On 11/17/2015 06:08 PM, Jim Forster wrote:
> Roger,
> 
> Yes, I’ve talked with Ramon and read the paper,  at least sort of 
> understand the concepts, but perhaps some examples would be useful
> to further understand this fascinating structure.  For instance,
> how are these sort of situations handled?
> 
> * Individual in a more remote area wants to join, some extra work
> is required to get him connected (trench fiber, or install 1-2
> radio relay sites).  Work is done, he’s happy.  In theory others
> could use this sort of backbone, but if they don’t, how is the cost
> handled?

In principle by the individual. At least this is how it has been (and
probably will be) in WiFi. Nonetheless for fibre we are trying to
balance costs, e.g. urban/semi-urban deployments pay a bit more to
help a bit rural deployments. Rural still pay more than semi-urban,
though.

> 
> * An area already connected, with 20-50 people using some shared
> back bone links.  Most are very happy with the service, but a few
> want much faster service?  What is the process to make this
> decision to upgrade the backbone?  How are costs shared?   Do the
> 90% have to pay for for part of the upgrade?  Are the 10% out of
> luck if the 90% don’t want to pay for upgraded infrastructure?

No. The upgrade is paid by those who want to upgrade. Nonetheless:

1) we try to convince the rest to join the upgrade.

2) the license foresees the option to apply QoS policies in the
segments you have contributed (although I'm very reluctant to
do/promote this)

> 
> * Similarly, in a area with service; speed is found to be
> declining. After some investigation it’s determined that a few
> users are consuming most of the bandwidth on a critical backbone
> link.

Again:

1) try to talk to come with a solution. At first sight, in order of
(my) preference:

1) convince the guy to pay and upgrade

2) the owner of the segment has the right to apply QoS

> 
> — Jim
> 
> PS: Are there any other examples of this governance model for
> access nets beside Guifi.net <http://guifi.net>?

I'm afraid that not as developed and well founded as guifi.net (at the
risk to sound pretentious - which is not the intention at all)

Regards

> 
>> On Nov 17, 2015, at 6:45 AM, Roger Baig Viñas
>> <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
>> 
>> Signed PGP part Hi Jim,
>> 
>> It's a comprehensive ecosystem, thus, not easy, if possible at
>> all, to explain in few words. Essentially, we are deploying and
>> operating network infrastructure, including optical fibre, as a
>> commons, where participants contribute, directly by deploying
>> themselves or indirectly by funding, the infrastructure they need
>> to extend the existing infrastructure to their locations. They
>> keep the ownership of the infrastructure they contributed but, by
>> joining the network the accept its license, that is to say, they
>> join the Common Pool Resource with its rights (usage of all
>> existing infrastructure) and duties (let other participants use
>> the newcomers' infrastructure). Services (like Internet access)
>> are delivered by ISPs using the existing infrastructure according
>> to the free market rules (now that we have guaranteed the same 
>> rights of access to the infrastructure to everybody).
>> 
>> Therefore, we are putting in practice an alternative model to the
>> two traditional ones (private infrastructure and public
>> infrastructure). To do so it is needed a full stack of tools
>> (including those for which you -Jim- are asking for) to ensure
>> scalability, resilience and sustainability. We tried to outline
>> the basics in the following paper:
>> 
>> Roger Baig, Ramon Roca, Felix Freitag, Leandro Navarro,
>> guifi.net <http://guifi.net>, a crowdsourced network
>> infrastructure held in common, Computer Networks, Volume 90, 29
>> October 2015, Pages 150-165, ISSN 1389-1286, 
>> http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.comnet.2015.07.009. 
>> (http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1389128615002327)
>>
>> 
Keywords: Community networks; Crowdsourced networks; Self-organised
>> governance systems; Self-provisioning; Common pool resource
>> 
>> A draft version is available at:
>> 
>> English:
>> http://people.ac.upc.edu/leandro/pubs/crowds-guifi-en.pdf 
>> Castellano:
>> http://people.ac.upc.edu/leandro/pubs/crowds_es_1.pdf
>> 
>> We know it is not enough, but it is what we have so far. Part of
>> our future work is to better document what we have already done
>> and the news we introduce.
>> 
>> 
>> Kind regards
>> 
>> On 11/17/2015 02:55 PM, Jim Forster wrote:
>>> Kudos indeed!  A wonderful success story.  I confess to not
>>> really understanding the dynamics of planning, conflict
>>> resolutions, sharing & compensation, etc., but I wish I did!
>>> 
>>> Jim
>>> 
>>>> On Nov 16, 2015, at 4:16 PM, Steve Song <[e-mail]
>>>> <mailto:[e-mail]> <mailto:[e-mail]>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks for sharing this Leandro.  Kudos to all involved in 
>>>> Guifi.net <http://guifi.net> <http://guifi.net>.  So well
>>>> deserved!
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers... Steve
>>>> 
>>>> On 16 November 2015 at 18:25, Leandro Navarro 
>>>> <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>
>> <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Dear all,
>>>> 
>>>> This evening we had the award ceremony in Brussels where the 
>>>> guifi.net <http://guifi.net> 
>>>> <http://people.ac.upc.edu/leandro/pubs/crowds-guifi-en.pdf> 
>>>> community network got the European Broadband Award from the 
>>>> European Commission for its “innovative model of financing, 
>>>> business and investment” 
>>>> https://ec.europa.eu/digital-agenda/en/news/five-projects-got-first
- -e
>>
>>>> 
ver-european-broadband-award
>>> 
>>>> 
>>> The video about guifi.net <http://guifi.net>
>>>> <http://guifi.net/>:
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD3HYeD4Lm4 A paper that
>>>> describes its socio-economic and governance model: 
>>>> http://people.ac.upc.edu/leandro/pubs/crowds-guifi-en.pdf
>>>> 
>>>> If you come to the next GAIA workshop 
>>>> <http://acmdev.org/gaia.php> (London, Nov 30, colocated with
>>>> the ACM-DEV conference) you’ll be able to participate in a 
>>>> world-cafe style discussion on socio-economic or 
>>>> business/sustainability models of infrastructures and
>>>> services for GAIA. Guifi.net <http://guifi.net>
>>>> <http://guifi.net/>, among other initiatives, will be there.
>>>> 
>>>> I hope to see some of you in our next GAIA workshop, --
>>>> Leandro Navarro http://people.ac.upc.edu/leandro
>>>> http://dsg.ac.upc.edu <http://dsg.ac.upc.edu/>
>>>> 
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>> -- Roger Baig Viñas Fundació Privada per a la Xarxa Oberta,
>> Lliure i Neutral guifi.net <http://guifi.net>
>> 
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Roger Baig Viñas
Fundació Privada per a la Xarxa Oberta, Lliure i Neutral guifi.net

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