Re: [gaia] draft-irtf-gaia-alternative-network-deployments. Mitar review, question #3. Typical scenarios

Hello Arjuna, Henning, Jim,

The rural area definition relates with density. In the USA, 
https://www.census.gov/geo/reference/urban-rural.html
The Census Bureau identifies two types of urban areas:

  * Urbanized Areas (UAs) of 50,000 or more people;
  * Urban Clusters (UCs) of at least 2,500 and less than 50,000 people.

“Rural” encompasses all population, housing, and territory not included 
within an urban area.

In Europe 
(http://ec.europa.eu/regional_policy/sources/docgener/work/2014_01_new_urban.pdf)
Thinly populated area (alternative name: rural area)
      •    More than 50 % of the population living in rural
grid cells.

So, defining rural as thinly populated areas is relevant (and then, 
defining "thinly" :)). Despite the fact that (some) rural areas may be 
sustainable, the fact is that rural areas, due to lack of 
density/capilarity should be treated as a specific type of "smart" 
communities...

BR
Rute

On 04/13/2016 01:24 PM, Arjuna Sathiaseelan wrote:les
> Hello Jim & Henning -
>
> I think Henning has raised an interesting & thought provoking question 
> - how do we define rural?
>
> I agree - if you see in the UK and other "developed" countries - many 
> multi billionaires live in rural areas -
> look at weybridge in the UK: 
> http://www.hamptons.co.uk/forsaleoffice/weybridge/1599/
>
> :)
>
> should we consider from a "network access" perspective areas like 
> Weybridge as really rural -
>
> should rural be classified from an affordability angle? but in urban 
> areas affordability is also an issue - so that leads me to
>
> maybe - we should have new classification probably not by geography 
> but rather socio-economic status?
>
> regards
>
> On 13 April 2016 at 02:37, Jim Forster <jrforster@mac.com 
> <mailto:jrforster@mac.com>> wrote:
>
>     (Perhaps covered already in the draft…)
>
>     Sometimes, especially in developing countries, rural also loosely
>     implies a poorer economic situation (average income per capita)
>     than metro areas in the same country, and frequently reduced
>     general infrastructure (roads, water systems, grid power) than the
>     metro areas.  I think one of the drivers for migration to cities
>     in developing counties is somewhat better infrastructure in cities
>     than in the rural areas.
>
>
>>     On Apr 12, 2016, at 6:59 PM, Henning Schulzrinne
>>     <hgs@cs.columbia.edu <mailto:hgs@cs.columbia.edu>> wrote:
>>
>>     Defining "rural" is surprisingly difficult - the US government is
>>     rumored to have 50 definitions. From a networking perspective,
>>     it's very different whether you connect isolated rural dwellings,
>>     separated by miles, or villages, with clusters of a few hundred
>>     residences. (In the US, think Vermont small town vs. individual
>>     farms in Kansas or Oklahoma or homes along rural streets in West
>>     Virginia.)
>>
>>     One distinction is the average (or median) distance between
>>     network end points.
>>
>
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