Re: [Gen-art] Gen-ART Last Call review of draft-ietf-clue-datachannel-13

[Alissa Cooper <[e-mail]>]

Brian, a much belated thanks for your review. Christer and Paul, thanks for your responses. I entered a Yes ballot, having shepherded this document previously when I was ART AD. Glad to see it progressing.

Alissa

> On Aug 9, 2016, at 4:08 PM, Brian E Carpenter <[e-mail]> wrote:
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Of course, if asked to re-review this for the telechat, the review will just say "Ready".
> 
> Regards
>   Brian
> 
> On 10/08/2016 07:05, Christer Holmberg wrote:
>> Submitted.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Christer
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Alissa Cooper [mailto:[e-mail]] 
>> Sent: 09 August 2016 21:53
>> To: Christer Holmberg <[e-mail]>
>> Cc: Brian E Carpenter <[e-mail]>; [e-mail]; General Area Review Team <[e-mail]>
>> Subject: Re: Gen-ART Last Call review of draft-ietf-clue-datachannel-13
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 8, 2016, at 12:29 PM, Christer Holmberg <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I've created a new version of the draft, based on Brian's comments. It's not yet submitted, but can be found at GitHub:
>>> 
>>> https://github.com/cdh4u/draft-clue-datachannel/blob/master/draft-ietf
>>> -clue-datachannel.txt
>>> 
>>> The only change is to add a reference to the club protocol draft in the Introduction section.
>>> 
>>> Alissa, please let me know when I can submit the new version :)
>> 
>> You can go ahead and submit.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Alissa
>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks!
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Christer
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Christer Holmberg [mailto:[e-mail]]
>>> Sent: 07 August 2016 20:13
>>> To: Brian E Carpenter <[e-mail]>; 
>>> [e-mail]; General Area Review Team 
>>> <[e-mail]>
>>> Subject: RE: Gen-ART Last Call review of 
>>> draft-ietf-clue-datachannel-13
>>> 
>>> Hi Brian,
>>> 
>>> ...
>>> 
>>>>>> Minor issues:
>>>>>> -------------
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Mainly for my own education:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 3.2.6.  SCTP Multihoming
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> SCTP multi-homing is not supported for SCTPoDTLS associations, and  
>>>>>> can therefore not be used for a CLUE data channel.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> What is the advantage of SCTP if you don't get the benefit of multihoming?
>>>>> 
>>>>> There are other SCTP features that are used. The most essential is 
>>>>> the SCTP multi stream feature, which allows multiple data channels 
>>>>> using a single SCTP associations: each data channel is implemented using two unidirectional SCTP streams.
>>>>> 
>>>>> SCTP also provide different options when it comes to data transport reliability and ordering, and data channels can use different combinations.
>>>> 
>>>> OK, thanks. I have the impression that this explanation is given 
>>>> nowhere in the CLUE documents (and not in draft-ietf-rtcweb-transports either). I think it would be helpful if it was recorded *somewhere*.
>>>> It doesn't really belong in clue-datachannel.
>>> 
>>> I agree - it's not the task of CLUE to justify the decisions made by RTCWEB.
>>> 
>>> For the details of the data channel mechanism, please take a look at draft-ietf-rtcweb-data-channel.
>>> 
>>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-rtcweb-data-channel
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Christer
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Nits:
>>>>> -----
>>>>> 
>>>>> I expected a reference to draft-ietf-clue-protocol where CLUE is first mentioned in the Introduction.
>>>> 
>>>> I'll fix that.
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>>   Brian
>> 
>>