[Gen-art] Re: Gen-ART Review of draft-ietf-l3vpn-ce-based-03.txt

Harald Alvestrand wrote:
> Mark Townsley wrote:
>> Harald Alvestrand wrote:
>>>
>>> But I am hard pressed to figure out why such documents belong even 
>>> in the vicinity of the IETF standards track.
>>> I'm happy to let these two documents out as Informational. I think 
>>> any such document belongs in that class.
>> They are being targeted for informational. And note the additional 
>> language I included in the IETF LC for these documents:
>>
>> These documents were a product of first the PPVPN WG, and later the 
>> L3VPN
>> WG. They passed WG Last Call, but have not been actively discussed in 
>> the
>> WG for some time. There is little interest to work on CE-based VPN
>> problems within the WG today. The L3VPN WG is being rechartered to 
>> reflect
>> this, and these documents are being advanced as Informational for the
>> historical record.
> I noticed. My beef is mainly with the fact that the L3VPN WG is 
> apparently going down the path where shipping "standards" that don't 
> standardize anything is considered a legitimate activity.
Going down, no. Has been in the past, perhaps yes (at least for a 
portion of the effort in the WG).
>
> If they do a similarly content-free one on (for instance) IPSec-based 
> PPVPNs, my review of that would also say that it ought to be Info, not 
> Standards-track; useful, but not a standard.
I agree with your beef, which is one reason why the upcoming recharter 
of L3VPN will be dispensing of the VR and CE efforts going forward. The 
focus will be (and effectively is now in practice) on BGP IP/MPLS based 
VPNs and their associated protocol extensions.

- Mark
>
> (for all I know, such a document might already be approved.... I don't 
> follow that area closely....)
>>
>> - Mark
>>>
>>> But I suspect the political waters here are deep and troubled. I 
>>> wish the WG chairs and the ADs the best of luck in navigating them.
>>>
>>> No nits worth mentioning.
>>>
>>>                          Harald
>>>
>>>
>


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