Re: [Gen-art] Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-tram-stun-origin-05
Alan Johnston <alan.b.johnston@gmail.com> Wed, 13 May 2015 18:55 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Gen-art] Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-tram-stun-origin-05
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Hi Jari, Yes, we will make these changes in our next rev. - Alan - On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 4:58 AM, Jari Arkko <jari.arkko@piuha.net> wrote: > Thanks, all. I will assume the changes will be made in an upcoming > revision. > > Jari > > On 21 Apr 2015, at 17:08, Black, David <david.black@emc.com> wrote: > > > Alan, > > > > This approach seems fine. Please add an RFC reference for the STUN > rules, preferably citing a section # to make the rules easy to find (if you > had trouble locating them, it’ll be even harder for other readers ...). > > > > Thanks, > > --David > > > > From: Alan Johnston [mailto:alan.b.johnston@gmail.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2015 7:21 AM > > To: Jari Arkko > > Cc: Black, David; justin@uberti.name; yoakum@avaya.com; General Area > Review Team (gen-art@ietf.org) ietf@ietf.org; tram@ietf.org > > Subject: Re: [Gen-art] Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-tram-stun-origin-05 > > > > Hi Jari, > > > > We unfortunately did not reply to David for his review - our mistake. > See below for our response. > > > > - Alan - > > > > On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 1:55 AM, Jari Arkko <jari.arkko@piuha.net> > wrote: > > Thanks for your review, David. I am trying to determine > > how to deal with this draft in the upcoming IESG telechat. > > Has there been any discussion of the issue you raise? > > Do the authors have a response? > > > > Jari > > > > On 21 Mar 2015, at 06:12, Black, David <david.black@emc.com> wrote: > > > > > I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. For background on > > > Gen-ART, please see the FAQ at > > > > > > <http://wiki.tools.ietf.org/area/gen/trac/wiki/GenArtfaq>. > > > > > > Please resolve these comments along with any other Last Call comments > > > you may receive. > > > > > > Document: draft-ietf-tram-stun-origin-05 > > > Reviewer: David L. Black > > > Review Date: March 20, 2015 > > > IETF LC End Date: March 17, 2015 > > > > > > Summary: This draft is on the right track, but has open issues > > > described in the review. > > > > > > This draft describes the addition of a web origin attribute to STUN and > > > usage of that attribute in several protocol contexts. The draft is > well- > > > written and easy to read. I found one minor issue which may be > editorial. > > > > > > Major issues: None. > > > > > > Minor issues: > > > > > > Section 2.7 discusses use of multiple STUN origins with Web RTC and > > > concludes by imposing a "MUST" requirement on use of multiple STUN > > > origins with HTTP in general (use first origin, ignore others). While > > > Web RTC may be the predominant or only current use of STUN and TURN > with > > > HTTP, this "MUST" could foreclose the use of STUN origins with other > > > uses of HTTP. I'm not sure what those possible future uses might be, > > > but at a minimum this draft ought to more tightly scope its discussion > > > of use of STUN origins with HTTP to limit that usage to Web RTC. If > > > there's a good way for a STUN or TURN server to detect Web RTC usage, > > > requiring STUN and TURN servers to look for Web RTC as the use of > > > HTTP, and only impose this "MUST" requirement if Web RTC is detected > > > would better align that requirement with the discussion in this draft. > > > > David, > > > > Apologies for not responding to you earlier earlier. Since this text > was written, we have realized that there are no valid use cases for HTTP, > SIP, or XMPP for multiple Origins, and also that the STUN specification > says that even if multiples were sent, only the first will be processed. > So we are dropping the MUST that you reference here. We also plan to > change the multiple Origins language in section 2 to say: > > > > "Senders SHOULD NOT include multiple ORIGIN attributes in a request > since per STUN rules, only the first will be processed and the rest > ignored." > > > > > > > > Nits/editorial comments: > > > > > > idnits 2.13.01 turned up a reference problem: > > > > > > == Unused Reference: 'RFC7350' is defined on line 490, but no explicit > > > reference was found in the text > > > > > > That RFC should be cited somewhere. In addition, there are no RFCs > cited > > > or referenced for TLS and DTLS - they should be added (I believe that > > > RFC 5246 and RFC 6347 are appropriate, respectively). > > > > RFC 7350 is DTLS transport for STUN, so we should reference it in the > Security Considerations when we discuss DTLS. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > --David > > > ---------------------------------------------------- > > > David L. Black, Distinguished Engineer > > > EMC Corporation, 176 South St., Hopkinton, MA 01748 > > > +1 (508) 293-7953 FAX: +1 (508) 293-7786 > > > david.black@emc.com Mobile: +1 (978) 394-7754 > > > ---------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Gen-art mailing list > > > Gen-art@ietf.org > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/gen-art > > > >
- [Gen-art] Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-tram-stun-… Black, David
- Re: [Gen-art] Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-tram-s… Jari Arkko
- Re: [Gen-art] Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-tram-s… Alan Johnston
- Re: [Gen-art] Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-tram-s… Black, David
- Re: [Gen-art] Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-tram-s… Jari Arkko
- Re: [Gen-art] Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-tram-s… Alan Johnston