Re: [Gen-art] Gen-ART LC review of draft-loreto-http-bidirectional-05.txt

[Stefano Salsano <[e-mail]>]

as a co-author, I understand the concerns raised by Brian and I agree 
with Peter's proposals to address them

We can clarify that the goal of this draft is not to endorse the 
long-polling techniques (but rather to present the known issues and the 
  counter-measures that try to mitigate these issues)

I do think we should not go further and add a judgemental statement 
along the line of Brian's comment ("This is real example of protocol 
abuse. HTTP wasn't designed for this and doesn't do this properly")

but I think that we can more neutrally add a sentence stating that the 
proposed techniques stretch the original semantic of HTTP and that the 
HTTP protocol was not designed for this use... which is a fact rather 
than a judgement.

Stefano

Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
> On 12/3/10 8:44 PM, "Brian E Carpenter" <[e-mail]> wrote:
> 
>> This is real example of protocol abuse. HTTP wasn't designed for
>> this and doesn't do this properly.
> 
> Which is why folks who are currently using long-polling techniques are
> actively contributing to the HYBI WG.
> 
>> The draft is non-judgmental,
>> and that might be a mistake.
> 
> The draft is Informational and therefore isn't really in a position to pass
> judgments. All it is trying to say is: we know that long-polling techniques
> have many issues, but if you're going to use these techniques then at least
> try to do so with some modicum of intelligence. We're making the best of a
> bad situation, and if the HYBI WG is successful then hopefully people won't
> feel the need for long-polling techniques in the future.
> 
>> Personally, if I was in the IESG,
>> I'd be considering a "holding my nose" ABSTAIN ballot
> 
> I'll be balloting RECUSE.
> 
>> unless some 
>> text stating that the methods described are really bad ideas
>> was added.
> 
> I'd have no problem with adding a sentence or two to the effect that
> long-polling is a temporary hack that emerged from the applications
> community and will hopefully be superseded by technologies that aren't so
> abusive of HTTP. I'll confer with my co-authors about wordsmithing, if they
> agree that it's a good idea to add such text.
> 
> Peter
> 
> 
> 


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