Re: [Gendispatch] I-D Action: draft-thomson-gendispatch-no-expiry-01.txt

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Mon, 04 September 2023 02:45 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Gendispatch] I-D Action: draft-thomson-gendispatch-no-expiry-01.txt
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This draft now says:

"The expiration of a draft is intended to ensure that the topic is	
disqualified from consideration and discussion."

I believe that is inaccurate. I understand that the original
motivation was to prevent I-Ds from being used as if they were
stable references or even pseudo-standards; remember that in
earlier times, they were physically deleted from the public
(anonymous FTP) directory and there was no public archive at all.

Obviously that is ancient history, but I don't think the above
statement was the intention at all. I agree that expiration didn't
really work in either interpretation.

In any case, I worry a bit about removing the expiry date, because
it significantly strengthens the boilerplate statement that it's
'inappropriate to use Internet-Drafts as reference	
material or to cite them other than as "work in progress."'
Do we really want draft-idiot-stupid-idea-00 to appear
in a default tracker search indefinitely?

If we make this change, I suggest that the tracker button
Additional Search Criteria/Internet-Draft (expired, replaced or withdrawn)
should be replaced by
Additional Search Criteria/Internet-Draft (more than one year old, replaced or withdrawn)

Nit: The draft also says:
"Expired drafts are no longer served from the primary IETF servers."

That doesn't seem quite right.
An expired draft:
https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ietf-6man-rs-refresh-02.txt
An active draft:
https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ietf-6man-enhanced-vpn-vtn-id-05.txt

Regards
    Brian Carpenter

On 04-Sep-23 12:01, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote:
> Internet-Draft draft-thomson-gendispatch-no-expiry-01.txt is now available.
> 
>     Title:   Removing Expiration Notices from Internet-Drafts
>     Authors: Martin Thomson
>              Paul Hoffman
>     Name:    draft-thomson-gendispatch-no-expiry-01.txt
>     Pages:   5
>     Dates:   2023-09-03
> 
> Abstract:
> 
>     The long-standing policy of requiring that Internet-Drafts bear an
>     expiration date is no longer necessary.  This document removes
>     requirements for expiration for Internet-Drafts from RFC 2026/BCP 9
>     and RFC 2418/BCP 25.
> 
> The IETF datatracker status page for this Internet-Draft is:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-thomson-gendispatch-no-expiry/
> 
> There is also an HTML version available at:
> https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-thomson-gendispatch-no-expiry-01.html
> 
> A diff from the previous version is available at:
> https://author-tools.ietf.org/iddiff?url2=draft-thomson-gendispatch-no-expiry-01
> 
> Internet-Drafts are also available by rsync at:
> rsync.ietf.org::internet-drafts
> 
> 
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