RE: AW:[Geopriv] Quickrandomcommentsondraft-ietf-geopriv-pdif-lo-profile-00
"Marc Berryman" <MBerryman@911.org> Wed, 13 July 2005 20:51 UTC
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From: Marc Berryman <MBerryman@911.org>
To: Marc Berryman <MBerryman@911.org>, Henning Schulzrinne <hgs@cs.columbia.edu>, Marc Linsner <mlinsner@cisco.com>
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 15:50:52 -0500
Subject: RE: AW:[Geopriv] Quickrandomcommentsondraft-ietf-geopriv-pdif-lo-profile-00
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Let me be a bit more specific in my ranting. I have no problem accepting postal addresses, it is part of the migration plan. I do have a serious problem with someone suggesting that Postal Addresses be used in place of a MSAG. Marc B -----Original Message----- From: geopriv-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:geopriv-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Marc Berryman Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 3:12 PM To: Henning Schulzrinne; Marc Linsner Cc: GEOPRIV Subject: RE: AW:[Geopriv] Quickrandomcommentsondraft-ietf-geopriv-pdif-lo-profile-00 Re: hint: contact your local postal authority Oh my gosh, you must be kidding. The USPS is not a viable option for addressing when it comes to 9-1-1 and emergency services. First, Postal Communities have little relation to Jurisdictional Communities. You could have a postal address of Houston, TX and actually live in the city of Jersey Village, or Missouri City, or Bellaire, or a few others. Each of these cities have their own PSAP and their own law, fire, and EMS services. Below are some of favorite problems with the USPS addressing, all taken from USPS Pub No. 28 USPS Pub No. 28 States in part: 232 (my favorite example) Street Name - Information found in the primary name field of the ZIP+4 File is used as the street name. The ZIP+4 File indicates the preferred primary street name to ensure that the correctly designated primary street record is matched during the address standardization processes. The Street Name is the official name as designated by the local addressing authority - NOT the Zip+4 File!! 213.3 Allows for alternate Location and 215 the Dual Address issue Not useful, and could be confusing, for emergency responders 235 Numeric street names, for example, 7TH ST or SEVENTH ST, should be output on the mail piece exactly as they appear in the ZIP+4 File. The Street Name is the official name as designated by the local addressing authority. Then there are the Rural Routes, P.O. Boxes, General Delivery addresses and so on. I think you begin to see the Post Office is not a valid source of addressing information. Geo addresses would be measured e.g. GPS or from WiFi type devices. Rick Jones pointed out to me that there is an interesting article at this link: http://news.com.com/Intel+experiments+with+Wi-Fi+as+GPS+substitute/2100- 7351_3-5785565.html?part=rss&tag=5785565&subj=news It tells how WiFi can obtain Geo coordinates AND valid altitude measurements, which gets around the statement I made earlier about GPS does not have valid altitude measurements. The WiFi apparently has overcome that issue. Marc -----Original Message----- From: geopriv-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:geopriv-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Henning Schulzrinne Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 1:04 PM To: Marc Linsner Cc: 'GEOPRIV' Subject: Re: AW:[Geopriv] Quickrandomcommentsondraft-ietf-geopriv-pdif-lo-profile-00 >> >> I have no objection to providing geo where available; I fail, >> however, to see why in any practical case, providing geo and >> complete civic for cases where floors matter (office >> buildings, apartment buildings) would pose any hardship or >> incremental cost. >> > > MSAG has no cost? It is not clear to me that MSAG is a long-term viable solution to anything. (Ask Brian to give you his sermon on this topic; he'll give you a much better spiel than I can.) There are likely to be better ones, already paid for (hint: contact your local postal authority). Since addressing letters and packages to geo coordinates is still a ways off, the cost of that database has already been paid, so the incremental cost is close to zero. Secondly, it is naive to believe that geo does not require validation. Given how easy it is to screw up random-looking numbers, you need validation for geo to make sure that the coordinates that look precise to the tenth digit actually represent what you wanted to represent. You might ask the Canadian soldiers that got bombed by friendly (US) forces about the problem of mistaken geo coordinates (that is, the ones still around to be asked). Henning _______________________________________________ Geopriv mailing list Geopriv@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/geopriv _______________________________________________ Geopriv mailing list Geopriv@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/geopriv _______________________________________________ Geopriv mailing list Geopriv@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/geopriv
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