Re: [homenet] Unicast DNS within the Homenet?

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Sat, 15 September 2012 13:12 UTC

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From: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
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Cc: Kerry Lynn <kerlyn@ieee.org>, Mark Andrews <marka@isc.org>, Michael Thomas <mike@mtcc.com>, Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com>, Ray Bellis <Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk>, Ray Hunter <v6ops@globis.net>, james woodyatt <jhw@apple.com>, "homenet@ietf.org Group" <homenet@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [homenet] Unicast DNS within the Homenet?
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On 13/09/2012 21:15, David R Oran wrote:
> On Sep 13, 2012, at 1:12 PM, Michael Thomas <mike@mtcc.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 09/12/2012 06:57 PM, Ted Lemon wrote:
>>> On Sep 12, 2012, at 9:02 PM, Mark Andrews <marka@isc.org> wrote:
>>>> My machines have names.  Those names don't change as I move around
>>>> the world.  Random DHCP servers at coffee shops DO NOT have the
>>>> ability to update the DNS entries for those names.  They do have the
>>>> authority to update the PTR records in in-addr.arpa and ip6.arpa
>>>> namespaces.
>>> We're not talking about mobile IP here—we''re talking about naming in the homenet.   The technology has existed for over a decade to do what you describe with DHCP and DDNS in IPv4, but AFAIK nobody uses it, for two reasons: one, I don't think it actually serves a real need, and two, it requires geek skills to set up, which most people don't have.   But the second point is really a footnote to the first.
>>>
>> Suppose the real need would be to have a viable way to get rid of
>> putting raw IP addresses in upper level protocols? Ie, SDP, etc?
>>
> That is a much broader architectural discussion than just DNS versus other naming systems. The whole question of how and whether A can tell B in an application protocol that he ought to talk to X in an independent communication and whether the expectation is that X=A can be made better, worse or just different when X is a name versus an address.
> 
> I suggest we not talk about it - we risk ultimate regression to Godwin's Law.

People who want to talk about it can still do so in the context of
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-carpenter-referral-ps (Problem
Statement for Referral) on the grobj@ietf.org list. It's been hard
to get that conversation going, though.

  Brian