Re: [homenet] Configuration must not be carried by the routing protocol
Jim Gettys <jg@freedesktop.org> Wed, 26 June 2013 19:15 UTC
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Subject: Re: [homenet] Configuration must not be carried by the routing protocol
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On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 2:24 PM, Michael Thomas <mike@mtcc.com> wrote: > On 06/26/2013 11:22 AM, David R Oran wrote: > >> On Jun 26, 2013, at 1:46 PM, Michael Thomas <mike@mtcc.com> wrote: >> >> On 06/26/2013 10:42 AM, Mark Townsley wrote: >>> >>>> On Jun 26, 2013, at 3:52 PM, Ted Lemon wrote: >>>> >>>> On Jun 26, 2013, at 4:08 AM, Mark Townsley <mark@townsley.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> That explicit statement went away in RFC 3315, though the terminology >>>>>> section makes it very clear that a Host is not a Router. >>>>>> >>>>> DHCPv6 PD is explicitly for configuring routers, so I think this >>>>> assertion is wrong. >>>>> >>>> This was linked back to the assertion that "the IETF has a >>>> configuration protocol, it is DHCP" or some such. I was simply trying to >>>> point out what "the IETF" has on record in this regard. >>>> >>>> Certainly, we often use protocols beyond their original intent. RFC >>>> 5218 calls this "Wild Success", with plenty of examples. >>>> >>>> DHCPv6 PD has been referred to by one of its co-authors as "a Fax >>>> replacement", so that the user doesn't have to type in his prefix sent to >>>> him in printed form from his ISP. I think that analogy was given to sway >>>> anyone away from trying to rely on it for more than a very long-lived, >>>> essentially static, value from an ISP. >>>> >>>> Isn't a Somebody's-Law that states that "every successful protocol >>> will become a >>> transport protocol for something else”?Yup. I claim >>> >>> Yup - I claim to have coined that one. >> >> > Heh -- I definitely heard it from you first :) > > > And it's soooo true, though I managed to discourage using X protocol as an RPC framework, back in the day. Unfortunately, no success with HTTP :-(. - Jim
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- Re: [homenet] Configuration must not be carried b… Acee Lindem
- Re: [homenet] Configuration must not be carried b… Leddy, John
- Re: [homenet] Configuration must not be carried b… Michael Richardson
- Re: [homenet] Configuration must not be carried b… Juliusz Chroboczek
- [homenet] Configuration must not be carried by th… Juliusz Chroboczek
- Re: [homenet] Configuration must not be carried b… Michael Richardson
- Re: [homenet] Configuration must not be carried b… Dave Taht
- Re: [homenet] Configuration must not be carried b… Tim Chown
- Re: [homenet] Configuration must not be carried b… Juliusz Chroboczek
- Re: [homenet] Configuration must not be carried b… Juliusz Chroboczek
- Re: [homenet] Configuration must not be carried b… Teco Boot
- Re: [homenet] Configuration must not be carried b… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [homenet] Configuration must not be carried b… Mark Townsley
- Re: [homenet] Configuration must not be carried b… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [homenet] Configuration must not be carried b… Michael Thomas
- Re: [homenet] Configuration must not be carried b… Teco Boot
- Re: [homenet] Configuration must not be carried b… Teco Boot
- Re: [homenet] Configuration must not be carried b… Ted Lemon
- Re: [homenet] Configuration must not be carried b… Henning Rogge
- Re: [homenet] Configuration must not be carried b… Mark Townsley
- Re: [homenet] Configuration must not be carried b… Michael Thomas
- Re: [homenet] Configuration must not be carried b… Ted Lemon
- Re: [homenet] Configuration must not be carried b… David R Oran
- Re: [homenet] Configuration must not be carried b… Michael Thomas
- Re: [homenet] Configuration must not be carried b… Ole Troan
- Re: [homenet] Configuration must not be carried b… Jim Gettys
- Re: [homenet] Configuration must not be carried b… Juliusz Chroboczek
- Re: [homenet] Configuration must not be carried b… Juliusz Chroboczek
- Re: [homenet] Configuration must not be carried b… Juliusz Chroboczek
- Re: [homenet] Configuration must not be carried b… Michael Thomas
- Re: [homenet] Configuration must not be carried b… Henning Rogge
- Re: [homenet] Configuration must not be carried b… Teco Boot