Re: [hops] Proposal for HOPS RG
"Marc Blanchet" <marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca> Fri, 22 May 2015 14:43 UTC
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On 22 May 2015, at 10:38, marcelo bagnulo braun wrote: > I dont think this should be a short lived effort. > I mean, at the IETF there is plenty of times that we try to design a > protocol or protocol extension and we dont really have the data to > perform an informed decision. think the HOPS RG could be a starting > point for many protocol design efforts. > For instance, in the TCPINC BOF, the question about whether encrypted > TCP connection would fly over different ports was raised and there was > no data available. (and it was a fundamental question to understand if > the whole effort was worthwhile) > Similar questions now are raised in TCPM when designing the extended > option format. And again, there is little data around (at least for > some aspects of it). agree. others I can think of, such as multi path tcp, many rai protocols, > It would be nice to have a place where people that want to work on > design can gather data about what works and what doesnt. It would be > nice if that was the HOPS RG, i guess. > > In other words, one way of doing this is for the HOPS RG t be a venue > for people with interesting questions and people who want to measure > intersting things (or for people with interesting questions and people > who has data that can help them answer the questions) > > So, imho, something like HOPS is really missing in the IETF protocol > design approach. But maybe it is just me. not. count me in! deployability has not been so much considered. Many protocols have been designed and then a fallback to http/443 was added later which makes the protocol brittle. Marc. > > > > > El 22/05/15 a las 16:06, Eggert, Lars escribió: >> Hi, >> >> On 2015-5-22, at 15:46, Mirja Kühlewind >> <mirja.kuehlewind@tik.ee.ethz.ch> wrote: >>> there are people from RIPE who are interested in this work and were >>> already at the BarBoF. Further we are also in contact which the >>> people from CAIDA. And, as you can see on the agenda, we are also >>> talking to Google and Akamai with people who were also at the BarBoF >> so that's promising, but not actually a large number of folks. I >> wonder if a discussion among four groups really needs an RG >> established. Isn't this something that might as well be handled ad >> hoc? >> >> A second concern I have is that the topic here is fairly narrow in >> scope ("let's discuss data around how bad middleboxes break things"), >> and rather short-lived (i.e., once that is done, the group is done). >> The IRTF tries to charter groups that are long-lived and try to >> tackle problem areas of substantial size, and I wonder if this is the >> case here. >> >> (Since I was not at the bar BOF, I may be fundamentally >> misunderstanding something about this proposal. I'm only going on >> what is in the charter text proposal.) >> >> Lars >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> hops mailing list >> hops@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hops > > _______________________________________________ > hops mailing list > hops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hops
- [hops] Proposal for HOPS RG Mirja Kühlewind
- Re: [hops] Proposal for HOPS RG Eggert, Lars
- Re: [hops] Proposal for HOPS RG Mirja Kühlewind
- Re: [hops] Proposal for HOPS RG Eggert, Lars
- Re: [hops] Proposal for HOPS RG Eggert, Lars
- Re: [hops] Proposal for HOPS RG Mirja Kühlewind
- Re: [hops] Proposal for HOPS RG Mirja Kühlewind
- Re: [hops] Proposal for HOPS RG marcelo bagnulo braun
- Re: [hops] Proposal for HOPS RG Mirja Kühlewind
- Re: [hops] Proposal for HOPS RG Marc Blanchet
- Re: [hops] Proposal for HOPS RG Aaron Falk
- Re: [hops] Proposal for HOPS RG Eggert, Lars