Re: [hrpc] I-D Action: draft-irtf-hrpc-political-05.txt

[Shivan <[e-mail]>]

Hi Niels, thanks for the update. I do think the document is important for
the RG.

I agree with Andrew Sullivan's breakdown of the argumentation (in the email
thread for draft-irtf-hrpc-political-04), and think that Gurshabad's
framing would help a lot. Just seeing a discussion about what it means for
a "protocol to be political" would be immediately helpful - is it
just shorthand for saying "process is political && impact is political"?


On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 8:28 AM Niels ten Oever <[e-mail]>
wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> Thank you all very much for your feedback on this draft. Instead of
> responding to everyone in-line, I thought I'd try to address the issues
> that are emerging and converging in a new version. The issues, in my
> analysis, that people agreed upon that needed more work were:
>
> - Vocabulary entries are needed on protocols and standards;
> - The conclusions need to be further qualified;
> - The research question needs to be better framed;
> - The introduction needs be better readable;
> (and several smaller nits).
>
> Other ways of structuring and re-structuring were also offered, but they
> went in directions that I found hard to reconcile.
>
> I am curious to hear whether you think these adaptations help address some
> of your issues.
>
> Suggestion, comments, discussion, and pull requests are always welcome:
>
> https://github.com/IRTF-HRPC/drafts/blob/master/draft-political.md
>
> Best,
>
> Niels
>
>
> On 9/18/19 5:20 PM, [e-mail] wrote:
> >
> > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
> directories.
> > This draft is a work item of the Human Rights Protocol Considerations RG
> of the IRTF.
> >
> >         Title           : Notes on networking standards and politics
> >         Author          : Niels ten Oever
> >       Filename        : draft-irtf-hrpc-political-05.txt
> >       Pages           : 16
> >       Date            : 2019-09-18
> >
> > Abstract:
> >    The IETF cannot ordain what standards or protocols are to be used on
> >    networks, but the standards development process in the IETF does have
> >    an impact on society through its normative standards setting process.
> >    This document aims to bring about a better understanding on the
> >    political nature of standards and protocols.  Among other things, the
> >    IETF's work affects what is perceived as technologically possible and
> >    useful where networking technologies are being deployed, and its
> >    standards reflect what is considered by the technical community to be
> >    feasible and good practice.  Whereas there might not be agreement
> >    among the Internet protocol community on the specific political
> >    nature of the technological development process and its outputs, it
> >    is undisputed that standards and protocols are both products of a
> >    political process, and they can also be used for political means.
> >
> >
> > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
> > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-irtf-hrpc-political/
> >
> > There are also htmlized versions available at:
> > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-irtf-hrpc-political-05
> > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-irtf-hrpc-political-05
> >
> > A diff from the previous version is available at:
> > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-irtf-hrpc-political-05
> >
> >
> > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of
> submission
> > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.
> >
> > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:
> > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/
> >
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> DATACTIVE Research Group
> University of Amsterdam
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