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Re: [hrpc] I-D Action: draft-irtf-hrpc-political-05.txt

Eliot Lear <lear@cisco.com> Fri, 20 September 2019 15:57 UTC

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Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2019 17:56:59 +0200
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Subject: Re: [hrpc] I-D Action: draft-irtf-hrpc-political-05.txt
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> On 20 Sep 2019, at 14:46, Niels ten Oever <mail@nielstenoever.net> wrote:
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> I do think it _is_ undisputed that the standards creation process is political and that they can be used for political means, right?



On its face I would agree.  But your work would benefit from saying when that would be the case.  Again, the value of the work is exploring the limits of your thesis and its ramifications.

Eliot

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