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Re: [hrpc] I-D Action: draft-irtf-hrpc-political-05.txt

Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com> Sat, 21 September 2019 16:15 UTC

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From: Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com>
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2019 09:14:31 -0700
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On Sat, Sep 21, 2019 at 7:18 AM Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie>
wrote:

>
> Hiya,
>
> On 21/09/2019 15:13, Eric Rescorla wrote:
> > Again, let's take the example of SSL, which was designed by Netscape
> > for its own market purposes and became a de facto standard because
> > Netscape had the dominant browser and people wanted to interoperate
> > with it. What's poltical about that process?
>
> To be fair, there was a lot of IETF politics around
> Netscape and Microsoft related to that and IIRC TLS
> was only called that as part of an explicit compromise.
>

Yes, that's why I said that *TLS* was the outcome of a political process.
However, SSLv2 was just something Netscape published and SSLv3 was also
prepared internally by Netscape in response to criticisms of SSLv2.

-Ekr


> I think Eliot's examples (and NTP, which I raised)
> are maybe better examples of less/apolitical standards
> and protocols than SSL/TLS.
>
> S.
>

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