Re: A mechanism to encode HTTP version information in DNS
"Adrien W. de Croy" <adrien@qbik.com> Sat, 16 February 2013 06:36 UTC
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Subject: Re: A mechanism to encode HTTP version information in DNS
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------ Original Message ------ From: "Amos Jeffries" <squid3@treenet.co.nz> To: "Adrien W. de Croy" <adrien@qbik.com> Cc: "ietf-http-wg@w3.org" <ietf-http-wg@w3.org> Sent: 16/02/2013 3:19:46 p.m. Subject: Re: A mechanism to encode HTTP version information in DNS >On 15/02/2013 9:05 p.m., Adrien W. de Croy wrote: >> >>Are you talking about DNS labels? >I was yes. Does this include the URL string label? if you mean the URI RR data field (as per draft-faltstrom-uri), it can be quite long, being defined as a sequence of one or more <character-string> which are (byte) length-prefixed strings, but which can be concatenated. It would more likely run into limitations on max datagram size. I think implementations are supposed to handle at least 576 bytes, but to go bigger is a DNS extension, and I don't know how well supported it is. Otherwise you fail over to DNS over TCP, which I think would be problematic in our case due to added RTs / latency. in DNS, a label refers to a part of a name (e.g. FQDN is a sequence of labels separated by dots), so "URL string label" is a bit confusing. If you're referring to the authority part of a URI, being a domain name, it is subject to the limitations of DNS. >> >>DNS label max length is 63 (6 bits) only, due to overloading of offset >>pointer with label length. >> >>overall domain name max length is 255, although this is I guess >>relatively arbitrary, it's possible to code a longer name on a DNS >>packet, but not a longer label. >> > >So the big question: is the URL string field a label? or do we catenate >it from multiple labels? > >Amos > > >> >> >>------ Original Message ------ >>From: "Amos Jeffries" <squid3@treenet.co.nz> >>To: "ietf-http-wg@w3.org" <ietf-http-wg@w3.org> >>Sent: 15/02/2013 6:46:52 p.m. >>Subject: Re: A mechanism to encode HTTP version information in DNS >>>On 15/02/2013 9:16 a.m., Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote: >>>>Encoding HTTP version information in DNS is easy if you don't >>>>particularly care about using DNS properly or want to do anything >>>>more than encode HTTP version information. >>>> >>>>Doing it well gets rather more complex. A DNS query costs a round >>>>trip so you would ideally like to make it pay. Also the process of >>>>deploying DNS records takes some time and it is better to reuse an >>>>existing record but only if that will not create ambiguity. >>>> >>>>Looking again at the URI record, I think that we could use it to >>>>provide a HTTP version flag and other useful features in the DNS. In >>>>particular we can use the URI record to effect a HTTP redirect in >>>>DNS (a UDP round trip) rather than require a TCP round trip. It also >>>>provides for fault tolerance and load balancing and works well with >>>>Web Services. >>> >>>One small note on this assertion: >>> FQDN are capable of being anything up to 256 octets long >>>*per-label*. When the FQDN is greater than 250 octets or so this will >>>add both a UDP round trip plus a TCP round trip, on top of the final >>>connection setup round trip. This may not seem a critical point, but >>>we are already encountering web sites and services with >64 octet >>>FQDN in public traffic which is causing TLS certificate issues. >>> >>> >>>That asside, I am liking this proposal better than any of the earlier >>>DNS proposals. I can forsee support from Squid being implemented if >>>this is selected to go ahead. >>> >>>Amos >>> >>> >> > >
- Re: A mechanism to encode HTTP version informatio… Patrick McManus
- Re: A mechanism to encode HTTP version informatio… Adrien W. de Croy
- A mechanism to encode HTTP version information in… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: A mechanism to encode HTTP version informatio… Amos Jeffries
- Re: A mechanism to encode HTTP version informatio… Amos Jeffries
- Re: A mechanism to encode HTTP version informatio… Adrien W. de Croy
- Re: A mechanism to encode HTTP version informatio… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: A mechanism to encode HTTP version informatio… Eliot Lear
- Re: A mechanism to encode HTTP version informatio… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: A mechanism to encode HTTP version informatio… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: A mechanism to encode HTTP version informatio… Adrien W. de Croy
- Re: A mechanism to encode HTTP version informatio… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: A mechanism to encode HTTP version informatio… Adrien W. de Croy
- Re: A mechanism to encode HTTP version informatio… Amos Jeffries