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Re: Giving the Framing Layer a real name

James M Snell <jasnell@gmail.com> Wed, 27 February 2013 18:14 UTC

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From: James M Snell <jasnell@gmail.com>
To: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
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On Feb 27, 2013 10:03 AM, "Martin Thomson" <martin.thomson@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 27 February 2013 00:49, Mike Belshe <mike@belshe.com> wrote:
> > My vote would be to nuke the layering and instead fold section 4 (the
> HTTP
> > Layering) into the appropriate sections of the framing layer.  Trying to
> > make these generic frames seems like a distraction, and it would be
> simpler
> > for folks to read if these were just the basics of HTTP framing.
>
> I said as much to mark in private: the framing layer is for HTTP.  A
> name implies that it might stand alone.  That's not going to be true.
> The work to make it true is not worthwhile either.
>
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