Re: RFC 9110: HTTP Semantics - Terminology: "applying a request" (was Re: [Editorial Errata Reported] RFC9110 (7530))

Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de> Fri, 23 June 2023 03:40 UTC

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Subject: Re: RFC 9110: HTTP Semantics - Terminology: "applying a request" (was Re: [Editorial Errata Reported] RFC9110 (7530))
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On 22.06.2023 23:46, Chris Smiley wrote:
>
>
>> On Jun 10, 2023, at 3:39 AM, Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de> wrote:
>>
>> On 31.05.2023 16:35, Julian Reschke wrote:
>>> On 31.05.2023 16:32, Philippe Cloutier wrote:
>>>> ...
>>>
>>> Everybody: this is clearly a just a terminology discussion. Please
>>> understand that errata are not about terminology preferences of the
>>> authors, in particular if they've been this year for a long time.
>>>
>>> RFC-Editor, please reject this. This is not an erratum.
>>>
>>> Best regards, Julian
>>
>> RFC-Editor: please reject this erratum.
>>
>> Best regards, Julian
>>
>
>
> Hi Julian,
>
> This erratum caused quite a bit of discussion which makes us question whether the RPC is the appropriate verifying party. However, as the authors agree that this should be rejected, we will change the status accordingly.  Seemingly, this erratum would benefit from a note to explain why it’s been rejected.  Is this note below from Roy sufficient to explain why the erratum has been rejected?  If not, would you please provide one?
>
> A method is applied to a resource to have an effect that results in a response. Any web search on "method applied" will show you that it is quite common in standard English.  The request has already been processed, at least partially, in order to make a decision that resulted in a 401 error
>
> This is slightly different from the object-oriented programming world where "call" or "invoke" a method is used most often, since in HTTP the methods areuniform and not object-specific. Here, "invoked" would be close and “granted" would be specific to 401, but it really doesn't matter at all
>
> Thanks,
> RFC Editor/cs

Yes,

I believe

"A method is applied to a resource to have an effect that results in a
response. Any web search on "method applied" will show you that it is
quite common in standard English.  The request has already been
processed, at least partially, in order to make a decision that resulted
in a 401 error"

is a good explanation.

Best regards, Julian