Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarcation
James Graham <jgraham@opera.com> Thu, 05 August 2010 20:11 UTC
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Subject: Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarcation
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On Thu, 5 Aug 2010, Roberto Peon wrote: > What is the incentive for Mozilla, Opera, and Safari to change their implementations again in the future? When will this happen? Competition. If some website works better in a competitor due to some extra functionality, there exists a strong incentive for everyone else to implement that feature. The result of this is that the modern web platform has been stiched together from a patchwork of mutually reverse-engineered bugs and features. Occasionally there has even been a standards body involved somewhere along the way. Indeed that appears to be increasingly common, much to everyone's relief. Of couse the same force that drives forward progress stops us changing the past; we can't take out features that are needed for existing websites to work even if they would have great payback over the long term. So changes we make to the protocol in the future have to be backwards compatible.
- [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarcation Douglas Otis
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Douglas Otis
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Roberto Peon
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ)
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Roberto Peon
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Douglas Otis
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Roberto Peon
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Roberto Peon
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Douglas Otis
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Greg Wilkins
- [hybi] Compression - stream vs frame Dave Cridland
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Dave Cridland
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Dave Cridland
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Roberto Peon
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Dave Cridland
- Re: [hybi] Compression - stream vs frame Anne van Kesteren
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] Compression - stream vs frame John Tamplin
- Re: [hybi] Compression - stream vs frame Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ)
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Sylvain Hellegouarch
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Pieter Hintjens
- Re: [hybi] Compression - stream vs frame Matthew Wild
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal: Impact on multiplexi… Jamie Lokier
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Jamie Lokier
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] Compression - stream vs frame Dave Cridland
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Sylvain Hellegouarch
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Patrick McManus
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Dave Cridland
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Sylvain Hellegouarch
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Jamie Lokier
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Sylvain Hellegouarch
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Jamie Lokier
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Dave Cridland
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Jack Moffitt
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Dave Cridland
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Douglas Otis
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Roberto Peon
- Re: [hybi] Compression - stream vs frame Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Patrick McManus
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Dave Cridland
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Jamie Lokier
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Ian Hickson
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Maciej Stachowiak
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Jack Moffitt
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ)
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Ian Hickson
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Douglas Otis
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ)
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Roberto Peon
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Ian Hickson
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Maciej Stachowiak
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Ian Hickson
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Rob Sayre
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Roberto Peon
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Ian Hickson
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Anne van Kesteren
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Maciej Stachowiak
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Roberto Peon
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Pieter Hintjens
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Patrick McManus
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Patrick McManus
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Jack Moffitt
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… L.Wood
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Anne van Kesteren
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Scott Ferguson
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Ian Hickson
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… L.Wood
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Pieter Hintjens
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Jack Moffitt
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Pieter Hintjens
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Jamie Lokier
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Roberto Peon
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Anne van Kesteren
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Rob Sayre
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Anne van Kesteren
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ)
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… James Graham
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Anne van Kesteren
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Anne van Kesteren
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Roberto Peon
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… James Graham
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Roberto Peon
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Dave Cridland
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Jack Moffitt
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Roberto Peon
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Jack Moffitt
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… James Graham
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Roberto Peon
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… James Graham
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Jamie Lokier
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Roberto Peon
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… James Graham
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Douglas Otis
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Roberto Peon
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Ian Hickson
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Jamie Lokier
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Roberto Peon
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… James Graham
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Ian Hickson
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Jamie Lokier
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Ian Hickson
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Anne van Kesteren
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Anne van Kesteren
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Rob Sayre
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Anne van Kesteren
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Rob Sayre
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Ian Hickson
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Ian Hickson
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Julian Reschke
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Ian Hickson
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Anne van Kesteren
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Maciej Stachowiak
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… SM
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Ian Hickson
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… James Graham
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… James Graham
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… SM
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ)
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ)
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Maciej Stachowiak
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ)
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Maciej Stachowiak
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Anne van Kesteren
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Maciej Stachowiak
- Re: [hybi] Framing proposal with start/end demarc… Bill de hÓra