Re: [I18ndir] Directorate procedural question (was: Re: draft-faltstrom-unicode11-07)

["Pete Resnick" <[e-mail]>]

Yes. Harald is the assigned "reviewer" in the directorate tool, and 
therefore the penholder on the output of this discussion.

pr

On 18 Feb 2019, at 12:52, Ben Campbell wrote:

> Do I understand correctly that Harald plans to send a summary of any 
> conclusions?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ben.
>
>> On Feb 18, 2019, at 12:37 PM, Alexey Melnikov 
>> <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>
>> John/Pete,
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019, at 5:37 PM, Pete Resnick wrote:
>>> The ART ADs (who are monitoring this list and will hopefully notice
>>> this) are in a better position to answer this query, but from my
>>> perspective:
>>>
>>> This list is likely to have a more in-depth discussion of the 
>>> document
>>> than any more general LC discussion on the main IETF list. I think 
>>> it is
>>> more valuable to have your input here.
>>
>> Agreed.
>>
>>> I also expect the ART ADs at the very least to take the input of 
>>> this
>>> review very seriously, and I expect the sponsoring AD of this 
>>> document
>>> would be unlikely to let issues raised by this review to go 
>>> unaddressed.
>>
>> Indeed, ART ADs will be watching both mailing lists. At the moment I 
>> don't see any email on [e-mail] other than the one from Suzanne 
>> Woolf.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>> Alexey
>>
>>> pr
>>>
>>> On 16 Feb 2019, at 15:03, John C Klensin wrote:
>>>
>>>> Gentlemen,
>>>>
>>>> In addition to the issues identified below (on which, AFAICT,
>>>> only the two of you and Asmus have commented in the week and a
>>>> half since it was posted), I note that the Last Call on the I-D
>>>> has been issued and discussion (albeit limited) has started on
>>>> the IETF list.   I have every confidence in Harald's ability to
>>>> write a good summary but, if it written in the usual style of
>>>> directorate-as-review-team documents, I'd expect that at least
>>>> some IESG members who would prefer to not be bothered by these
>>>> issues would more or less ignore it.
>>>>
>>>> I don't have time -- and I assume few others on this list have
>>>> time -- to participate in parallel discussions on the two lists
>>>> (this one and the IETF one).  I also believe that reasoned
>>>> comments on the IETF list that disagree with the conclusions of
>>>> some of us should be responded to there so that their authors
>>>> (as well as the whole IESG) see the responses and might even be
>>>> educated by whatever discussion follows.  So I now have a
>>>> dilemma as to whether to keep reading and responding here or to
>>>> put this list aside and start paying attention to the IETF one.
>>>>
>>>> Please advise.
>>>>
>>>>   john
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --On Thursday, February 14, 2019 19:52 -0700 Peter Saint-Andre
>>>> <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2/14/19 8:52 AM, Pete Resnick wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I do want to point you and everyone at John's review
>>>>>> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/i18ndir/vFddEKMIN0DR55Q
>>>>>> ALal16H_1WYw to see if you have any comments on it. In
>>>>>> particular:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> |TL;DR summary of this note: It is extremely unwise for the
>>>>>> IETF to process draft-faltstrom-unicode11-07 before a number
>>>>>> of other issues (and associated documents) are carefully
>>>>>> considered and resolved.|
>>>>>
>>>>> I think John raises valid concerns, which I understand as:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. We really do need to figure out what to do about the issues
>>>>> described in draft-klensin-idna-5892upd-unicode70,
>>>>> draft-klensin-idna-rfc5891bis, and
>>>>> draft-freytag-troublesome-characters.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. Advancing draft-faltstrom-unicode11 as-is could be
>>>>> perceived as ignoring those issues.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3. We now have a proper venue in which to address those
>>>>> issues, so perhaps we should give ourselves a chance to
>>>>> succeed.
>>>>>
>>>>> 4. At the least, we might want to include more explicit
>>>>> warnings in draft-faltstrom-unicode11 about the risks of
>>>>> allowing "troublesome" characters.
>>>
>>>
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