Re: [I2nsf] WGLC for draft-ietf-i2nsf-registration-dm-17

Will update the shepherd write up next  week and submit the IESG. Sorry for the delay. 
Linda
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> On Sep 5, 2022, at 4:59 AM, Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong <jaehoon.paul@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Qin,
> Patrick and I will work on the revision of the Registration Interface Draft with your comments.
> 
> Thanks for your constructive comments.
> 
> Best Regards,
> Paul
> 
> 2022년 9월 5일 (월) 오후 3:59, Qin Wu <bill.wu@huawei.com>님이 작성:
>> Hi, Paul:
>> 
>> Thank for the update, I am still struggling about the relation between capability model and registration interface model.
>> 
>> First, the registration interface model imports ietf-i2nsf-capability and reuses some grouping defined in ietf-i2nsf-capability, this is not augmented model from ietf-i2nsf-capability. It is a new model which use some building block in some other existing models.
>> 
>> Augmented model should augment from ietf-i2nsf-capability with additional data nodes, e.g., here is IPv4 unicast routing management model which is augmented from ietf-routing 
>>      augment "/rt:routing-state/rt:ribs/rt:rib/rt:routes/rt:route" {
>>        when "derived-from-or-self(../../rt:address-family, "
>>           + "'v4ur:ipv4-unicast')" {
>>          description
>>            "This augment is valid only for IPv4 unicast.";
>>        }
>> This gives you a sense what augmented model look like.
>> 
>> Second, Can ietf-i2nsf-capability module be used independent from ietf-i2nsf-registration-interface module? Is ietf-i2nsf-capability used in the same registration interface as  ietf-i2nsf-registration-interface module?
>> Third: I re-read section 4 of draft-ietf-i2nsf-registration-interface-dm, it said:
>> “
>> 
>>    The I2NSF registration interface is used by Security Controller and
>>    Developer's Management System (DMS) in I2NSF framework.  The
>>    following summarizes the operations done through the registration
>>    interface:
>>  
>>    1)  DMS registers NSFs and their capabilities to Security Controller
>>        via the registration interface.  DMS also uses the registration
>>        interface to update the capabilities of the NSFs registered
>>        previously.
>>  
>>    2)  In case that Security Controller fails to find some required
>>        capabilities from any registered NSF that can provide, Security
>>        Controller queries DMS about NSF(s) having the required
>>        capabilities via the registration interface.
>> ”
>> 
>> I feel this registration interface is designed only for administrators to register NSF capability, In case that Security Controller fails to find some required
>> capabilities from any registered NSF that can provide, it can also auto detect required capabilities by itself from NSF, therefore simply define query RPC 
>> to query capabilities from DMS seems not sufficient, unless you explicitly rule this auto detection out from this document.
>>  
>> -Qin
>> 发件人: Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong [mailto:jaehoon.paul@gmail.com] 
>> 发送时间: 2022年8月31日 19:14
>> 收件人: Qin Wu <bill.wu@huawei.com>
>> 抄送: i2nsf@ietf.org; Roman Danyliw <rdd@cert.org>; Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@futurewei.com>; Patrick Lingga <patricklink888@gmail.com>; skku-iotlab-members <skku-iotlab-members@googlegroups.com>; Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong <jaehoon.paul@gmail.com>
>> 主题: Re: [I2nsf] WGLC for draft-ietf-i2nsf-registration-dm-17
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Hi Qin,
>> 
>> Here is the revision reflecting your detailed comments on the I2NSF Registration Interface:
>> 
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-i2nsf-registration-interface-dm-20
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Patrick and I have revised this draft along with the attached revision letter.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Could you confirm whether this revision looks good to you or not?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Best Regards,
>> 
>> Paul
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Wed, Aug 24, 2022 at 6:42 PM Qin Wu <bill.wu@huawei.com> wrote:
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>> Hi, Paul:
>> 
>> Thank you for inviting me to review this draft.
>> 
>> I am a little confused about the relation of this draft with draft-ietf-i2nsf-capability-data-model
>> 
>> See quoted text in draft-ietf-i2nsf-capability-data-model
>> 
>> “
>> 
>>    This document provides an information model and the corresponding
>> 
>>    YANG data model [RFC6020][RFC7950] that defines the capabilities of
>> 
>>    NSFs to centrally manage the capabilities of those NSFs.  The NSFs
>> 
>>    can register their own capabilities into a Network Operator
>> 
>>    Management (Mgmt) System (i.e., Security Controller) with this YANG
>> 
>>    data model through the registration interface [RFC8329].
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> ”
>> 
>> And quote text in draft-ietf-i2nsf-registration-dm
>> 
>> “
>> 
>>    This document describes an information model (see Section 4) and a
>> 
>>    YANG [RFC7950] data model (see Section 5) for the I2NSF Registration
>> 
>>    Interface [RFC8329] between the security controller and the
>> 
>>    developer's management system (DMS) to support NSF capability
>> 
>>    registration and query via the registration interface.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> ”
>> 
>> I am wondering which YANG data model is exchanged in the registration interface.
>> 
>> Shouldn’t YANG data model defined in draft-ietf-i2nsf-registration-dm augment the YANG model defined in
>> 
>> draft-ietf-i2nsf-capability-data-model.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> In addition, I think registration interface seems not mandatory interface, security controller in some other case can
>> 
>> Learn capability NFV orchestrators, or NSF can expose dynamic capability to security controller.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Besides register NSF, I am wondering what other data or information can be registered? I assume there are a lot.
>> 
>> Therefore I would suggest to limit the scope of this registration interface, only focus NSF capability registration.
>> 
>> The title should reflect this.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> For data model and information model definition, I think you should refer to RFC3444.
>> 
>> For NSF access information, I am wondering whether management protocol should also be part of access information.
>> 
>> Regarding performance capability, I assume it is related to software or hardware, or firmware specification,
>> 
>> Naming it as performance capability seems confusing to me.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> -Qin
>> 
>> ---------- 전달된 메일 ----------
>> 보낸사람: Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@futurewei.com>
>> 날짜: 2022년 6월 11일 (토) 오전 3:13
>> 제목: [I2nsf] WGLC for draft-ietf-i2nsf-registration-dm-17
>> 받는사람: i2nsf@ietf.org <i2nsf@ietf.org>
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>> Hello Working Group,
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>> Many thanks to the authors of draft-ietf-i2nsf-registration-dm-17 to address all the comments from YANG Doctor review, SecDir review and OpsDIR review.
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