Re: IDR WG Last Call
Russ White <ruwhite@cisco.com> Tue, 15 January 2002 20:05 UTC
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Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 15:02:55 -0500
From: Russ White <ruwhite@cisco.com>
Reply-To: Russ White <riw@cisco.com>
To: Enke Chen <enke@redback.com>
Cc: Susan Hares <skh@nexthop.com>, Jeffrey Haas <jhaas@nexthop.com>, idr@merit.edu
Subject: Re: IDR WG Last Call
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Correct--SAFI 3.... There aren't any implementations that I've seen, and it does complicate matters a bit more than needed. Russ On Tue, 15 Jan 2002, Enke Chen wrote: > Sue, > > > Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 14:49:14 -0500 > > To: Russ White <riw@cisco.com> > > From: Susan Hares <skh@nexthop.com> > > Subject: Re: IDR WG Last Call > > Cc: Enke Chen <enke@redback.com>, Jeffrey Haas <jhaas@nexthop.com>, > > idr@merit.edu > > In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0201151303290.20852-100000@ruwhite-u10.cisco > > .com> > > References: <20020115174716.CC5A815D3C1@popserv1.redback.com> > > Mime-Version: 1.0 > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > X-NextHop-MailScanner: Found to be clean > > > > Russ: > > > > We had that vote 1 month ago. The overwhelming > > majority was to keep it in. We are not re-opening > > that issue having closed it on the mail list already. > > The issue then was the "BGP State Machine". Russ was talking abut "SAFI 3" > in his message if I am not mistaken. > > -- Enke > > > > > > > Sue > > > > At 01:03 PM 1/15/2002 -0500, Russ White wrote: > > > > >I think it's probably a good idea to get rid of this out of the > > >spec--it would make things cleaner. > > > > > >Russ > > > > > >On Tue, 15 Jan 2002, Enke Chen wrote: > > > > > > > Jeff, > > > > > > > > > Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 23:21:28 -0500 > > > > > From: Jeffrey Haas <jhaas@nexthop.com> > > > > > To: Enke Chen <enke@redback.com> > > > > > Cc: idr@merit.edu > > > > > Subject: Re: IDR WG Last Call > > > > > Message-ID: <20020114232128.B14701@nexthop.com> > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 14, 2002 at 04:04:24PM -0800, Enke Chen wrote: > > > > > > It seems that the "SAFI 3" certainly makes the issue at hand much more > > > > > > complicated. > > > > > > > > > > IMO, SAFI 3 was probably not a very good idea. Dealing with it can > > > > > be a real pain in the implementation. :-) > > > > > > > > So can we clean out "SAFI 3" from MP-BGP spec.? It does not seem to add > > > > much value, but has caused a lot of confusion and complexity. I am not > > > > aware of any depolyment either. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As Yakov and Sue pointed out, it is a good idea to discourage > > > > > > having one prefix in multiple fields of an update message. How > > > about the > > > > > > following text: > > > > > > > > > > > > An UPDATE message should not include the same address prefix in > > > more than > > > > > > one of the following fields: WITHDRAWN ROUTES field, Network > > > Reachability > > > > > > Information fields, MP_REACH_NLRI field, and MP_UNREACH_NLRI > > > field. The > > > > > > processing of an UPDATE message in this form is un-defined. > > > > > > > > > > I think that "undefined" is overkill. I would suggest the following > > > instead: > > > > > > > > > > An UPDATE message should not include the same address prefix in > > > > > more than one of the following fields: WITHDRAWN ROUTES, Network > > > > > Layer Reachability Information, MP_REACH_NLRI and MP_UNREACH_NLRI. > > > > > An implementation that receives a packet in this form should process > > > > > the Update as if it had processed it in the following order: > > > > > WITHDRAWN ROUTE, MP_UNREACH_NLRI, MP_REACH_NLRI, Network Layer > > > > > Reachability Information. > > > > > > > > > > The wording could probably use some tightening. > > > > > > > > > > The intended result is that reachability rules over unreachability. > > > > > > > > If we want to define the behavior, I would like to suggest sticking to > > > > the order in the message. That probably would reflect the sender's > > > > intention more closely, and make the processing simpler. > > > > > > > > -- Enke > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_____________________________ > > >riw@cisco.com <>< Grace Alone > > > > > _____________________________ riw@cisco.com <>< Grace Alone
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- Re: IDR WG Last Call Jeffrey Haas
- Re: IDR WG Last Call Russ White
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- Re: IDR WG Last Call Jeffrey Haas
- Re: IDR WG Last Call Enke Chen
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