Re: [Idr] New version of draft-wang-idr-eag-distribution-00

Qin Wu <bill.wu@huawei.com> Tue, 04 November 2014 01:31 UTC

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From: Qin Wu <bill.wu@huawei.com>
To: "Osborne, Eric" <eric.osborne@level3.com>, "Bertrand Duvivier (bduvivie)" <bduvivie@cisco.com>, "Jan Medved (jmedved)" <jmedved@cisco.com>, Hannes Gredler <hannes@juniper.net>, Jeff Tantsura <jeff.tantsura@ericsson.com>
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I am okay if WG think adding EAG to bgp-ls is not late.
But I haven't seen any implementation that claims to support EAG TLV.

Regards!
-Qin
-----邮件原件-----
发件人: Osborne, Eric [mailto:eric.osborne@level3.com] 
发送时间: 2014年11月4日 0:34
收件人: Qin Wu; Bertrand Duvivier (bduvivie); Jan Medved (jmedved); Hannes Gredler; Jeff Tantsura
抄送: idr@ietf.org; Hares Susan
主题: RE: [Idr] New version of draft-wang-idr-eag-distribution-00

-1, I guess, is my vote.  Not that we vote around here.  

I'm not sure I understand the practical benefit of closing it when we know there's stuff missing.  It's in WG LC, right?  Isn't the point to find things that need to be addressed *now*, rather than push it out the nest as quickly as possible when we already know we have a change to make?

Adding EAG to bgp-ls isn't a big deal.  And it's not like people have never shipped product based on mature draft standards before.  Why not do it right while we still have the chance?




eric

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Qin Wu
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2014 4:25 AM
> To: Bertrand Duvivier (bduvivie); Jan Medved (jmedved); Hannes 
> Gredler; Jeff Tantsura
> Cc: idr@ietf.org; Hares Susan
> Subject: Re: [Idr] New version of draft-wang-idr-eag-distribution-00
> 
> +1
> Let's close the base spec for BGP-LS.
> 
> -Qin
> -----邮件原件-----
> 发件人: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] 代表 Bertrand Duvivier (bduvivie)
> 发送时间: 2014年10月31日 2:19
> 收件人: Jan Medved (jmedved); Hannes Gredler; Jeff Tantsura
> 抄送: idr@ietf.org; Hares Susan
> 主题: Re: [Idr] New version of draft-wang-idr-eag-distribution-00
> 
> Agree,
> 
> Best Regards Bertrand Duvivier
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jan Medved 
> (jmedved)
> Sent: jeudi 30 octobre 2014 19:03
> To: Hannes Gredler; Jeff Tantsura
> Cc: idr@ietf.org; Hares Susan
> Subject: Re: [Idr] New version of draft-wang-idr-eag-distribution-00
> 
> +1
> 
> bgp-ls is in the WG last call, let¹s not restart that clock.
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Jan
> 
> 
> On 10/30/14, 12:30 AM, "Hannes Gredler" <hannes@juniper.net> wrote:
> 
> >real question is:
> >
> >do we want to close BGP-LS base spec and submit it to IESG or leave 
> >it open as an eternal draft ? - IMO EAG is a useful thing hence 
> >vendors will be adding support for this, but can perfectly live as a 
> >standalone document,
> >
> >/hannes
> >
> >On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 06:12:28PM +0000, Jeff Tantsura wrote:
> >|    Hi Eric,
> >|    Agree, should be treated same way as AG and included in bgp-ls,
> >|    Extended Administrative Group with TLV code point 1099
> >|    Cheers,
> >|    Jeff
> >|    From: <Osborne>, Eric <[1]eric.osborne@level3.com>
> >|    Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 at 6:48 AM
> >|    To: wangzitao <[2]wangzitao@huawei.com>, "[3]idr@ietf.org"
> >|    <[4]idr@ietf.org>
> >|    Cc: Hares Susan <[5]shares@ndzh.com>
> >|    Subject: Re: [Idr] New version of
> >| draft-wang-idr-eag-distribution-00
> >|
> >|      I skimmed it and it  looks reasonable.  Given  that it really 
> >| just
> > says
> >|      ³use BGP-LS to send EAG just like we already send AG², why not
> >just
> >|      fold this content into bgp-ls?  The reason it¹s not in bgp-ls
> >already
> >|      is ­ I  suspect ­ just  a matter  of timing between  EAG and
> >bgp-ls
> >|      publication.
> >|
> >|
> >|
> >|
> >|
> >|
> >|
> >|
> >|
> >|      eric
> >|
> >|
> >|
> >|      From: Idr [[6]mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of wangzitao
> >|      Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 9:04 PM
> >|      To: [7]idr@ietf.org
> >|      Cc: Hares Susan
> >|      Subject: [Idr] New version of 
> >| draft-wang-idr-eag-distribution-00
> >|
> >|
> >|
> >|      Hi, folks:
> >|
> >|      We have  submitted  a new  short  draft  to discuss  BGP
> >extension  for
> >|      Extended admin Group
> >|
> >|
> >| [8]https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wang-idr-eag-distribution-00
> >|
> >|      and requested a timeslot to present it at IETF91.
> >|
> >|      Please help review and comment on this short draft.
> >|
> >|      Thanks in advance.
> >|
> >|
> >|
> >|      Regards!
> >|
> >|      -Michael
> >|
> >| References
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> >|    2. mailto:wangzitao@huawei.com
> >|    3. mailto:idr@ietf.org
> >|    4. mailto:idr@ietf.org
> >|    5. mailto:shares@ndzh.com
> >|    6. mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org
> >|    7. mailto:idr@ietf.org
> >|    8. 
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