Re: [Idr] One Administrative Domain using BGP (Fwd: I-D Action: draft-uttaro-idr-bgp-oad-00.txt)

Alvaro Retana <alvaro.retana@futurewei.com> Mon, 13 March 2023 16:40 UTC

Return-Path: <alvaro.retana@futurewei.com>
X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CDF1C1524B4; Mon, 13 Mar 2023 09:40:11 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.098
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.098 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_ZEN_BLOCKED_OPENDNS=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_DBL_BLOCKED_OPENDNS=0.001, URIBL_ZEN_BLOCKED_OPENDNS=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=futurewei.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([50.223.129.194]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hiHjP0EQGdth; Mon, 13 Mar 2023 09:40:07 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from NAM12-DM6-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-dm6nam12on20703.outbound.protection.outlook.com [IPv6:2a01:111:f400:fe59::703]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DC671C151557; Mon, 13 Mar 2023 09:40:06 -0700 (PDT)
ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; s=arcselector9901; d=microsoft.com; cv=none; b=YC1bydojbdYcQyg52O8QjPDIPhMhNK8J4s0hntLHJmHUDby94oDFZmRi3KLrBoOIElcCJjCVus2L55hnxqZDqJHdeijUobITh8klA0wJPC/OGwLgWXHoRCRbHvri0MJvhblTTx2AL6KKhJLC8vI9Rk+Cz7OMJAqmaWa/1SIAPYUAbr2v8/B5bGuw1L8gXXGLnJL4waGuDip0zhLt4Xb+2OPOEmd1/CUai4UF/2vD0YAWa64gnY1M0STsQgjgJp0Z96zVc837j6jnZY8mYsOKcGsRoaPwNz351ZvHxEGQbjF/AdmC/sG0sSiwBiJPj7CLGeqIGkD8XN8XqDSi4j+XdA==
ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=microsoft.com; s=arcselector9901; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-AntiSpam-MessageData-ChunkCount:X-MS-Exchange-AntiSpam-MessageData-0:X-MS-Exchange-AntiSpam-MessageData-1; bh=UI5L5Yqpd+xMVQr+WQVirvFFcMBoxvsmUuwzw/L0WnY=; b=VbA0KITddLTNwO//OsfH5XibQQoyAoRV84QoL/btdw72+GO0fCgaiMiE4GSFZQy/xSgnz9NAsw9u/JxjPpC9g7jQpPgva/e/hQAQC+EoMkeKlWBwzef0c8G1A99RZ9HWzfgwJNCyLTQxOOKGViHPa7ha77hf1Kmrrg7s/EJKNtflbkJlkBM8iYUmwiqA7BIKu39Tof9V8qV2J2fGvKO3noXUXKevkCrk+lLieZI0MeXSSy9TWjI4v1K4dl4OFRkTnVOK+lHFNSgTapw7ETb6nWxropfG5VPoaxIqr+AUqbZiaZ8FS8JeZE1HXPVgAeO2avz2YxHoktmncxdy3dbKVw==
ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.microsoft.com 1; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=futurewei.com; dmarc=pass action=none header.from=futurewei.com; dkim=pass header.d=futurewei.com; arc=none
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=Futurewei.com; s=selector2; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck; bh=UI5L5Yqpd+xMVQr+WQVirvFFcMBoxvsmUuwzw/L0WnY=; b=p77bDTaqOD2Jrc9MJElffmQRnE5sTF7eSucHy4XAJi+UWlXeXoULcYzJmR5yEZiqQZYiib/35TMK10i6ZX8+AEW9E0wCyYjJ/299mmksX6pwOMNFlEBtTnSDIwWjRT85SdR/46+Caha45B47lLNRRbcMfbUbr3eMriArA0wLYwc=
Received: from MN2PR13MB4006.namprd13.prod.outlook.com (2603:10b6:208:26f::13) by MW3PR13MB4121.namprd13.prod.outlook.com (2603:10b6:303:5b::18) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.20.6178.24; Mon, 13 Mar 2023 16:39:57 +0000
Received: from MN2PR13MB4006.namprd13.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::a6c4:4824:545c:ab6e]) by MN2PR13MB4006.namprd13.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::a6c4:4824:545c:ab6e%9]) with mapi id 15.20.6178.023; Mon, 13 Mar 2023 16:39:56 +0000
From: Alvaro Retana <alvaro.retana@futurewei.com>
To: Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net>
CC: "idr@ietf.org" <idr@ietf.org>, "draft-uttaro-idr-bgp-oad@ietf.org" <draft-uttaro-idr-bgp-oad@ietf.org>
Thread-Topic: [Idr] One Administrative Domain using BGP (Fwd: I-D Action: draft-uttaro-idr-bgp-oad-00.txt)
Thread-Index: AQHZVcMJBrZ3fZSQFUasOKACYYdTLK744LSAgAAIooA=
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2023 16:39:56 +0000
Message-ID: <etPan.640f51dc.6f20f0ad.245@futurewei.com>
References: <etPan.640f456e.1281d5e1.245@futurewei.com> <CAOj+MMH+TRXw9KwCEPty6H_ogZyuRq1JnCJ9uOhUCYCVvrp7hw@mail.gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <CAOj+MMH+TRXw9KwCEPty6H_ogZyuRq1JnCJ9uOhUCYCVvrp7hw@mail.gmail.com>
Accept-Language: en-US
Content-Language: en-US
X-MS-Has-Attach:
X-MS-TNEF-Correlator:
authentication-results: dkim=none (message not signed) header.d=none;dmarc=none action=none header.from=futurewei.com;
x-ms-publictraffictype: Email
x-ms-traffictypediagnostic: MN2PR13MB4006:EE_|MW3PR13MB4121:EE_
x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: 1a85b4d9-8e63-4364-0bf6-08db23e19469
x-ms-exchange-senderadcheck: 1
x-ms-exchange-antispam-relay: 0
x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0;
x-microsoft-antispam-message-info: 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
x-forefront-antispam-report: CIP:255.255.255.255; CTRY:; LANG:en; SCL:1; SRV:; IPV:NLI; SFV:NSPM; H:MN2PR13MB4006.namprd13.prod.outlook.com; PTR:; CAT:NONE; SFS:(13230025)(4636009)(396003)(39840400004)(346002)(376002)(136003)(366004)(451199018)(2616005)(186003)(44832011)(6506007)(6512007)(8936002)(83380400001)(38100700002)(38070700005)(6486002)(5660300002)(66476007)(66556008)(64756008)(66446008)(4326008)(8676002)(71200400001)(2906002)(76116006)(6916009)(41300700001)(66946007)(122000001)(478600001)(316002)(36756003)(54906003)(86362001); DIR:OUT; SFP:1102;
x-ms-exchange-antispam-messagedata-chunkcount: 1
x-ms-exchange-antispam-messagedata-0: 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
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Content-ID: <AD317F265568AA46B0B053E6DD4EC2BB@namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-OriginatorOrg: Futurewei.com
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Internal
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: MN2PR13MB4006.namprd13.prod.outlook.com
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 1a85b4d9-8e63-4364-0bf6-08db23e19469
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 13 Mar 2023 16:39:56.7114 (UTC)
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 0fee8ff2-a3b2-4018-9c75-3a1d5591fedc
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: lCrbC+OvluWoz4+fdYMphugqCp+4zipuJ3Fr+a+nrWPqufYBMmq6aGh/3aON2JQctpSk3kGuwzk3+UtRt+8ZQQ==
X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: MW3PR13MB4121
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/tOdTgeUSaGhsI4oZEgvoV4OgSe8>
Subject: Re: [Idr] One Administrative Domain using BGP (Fwd: I-D Action: draft-uttaro-idr-bgp-oad-00.txt)
X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.39
Precedence: list
List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing <idr.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/idr>, <mailto:idr-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/idr/>
List-Post: <mailto:idr@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:idr-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr>, <mailto:idr-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2023 16:40:11 -0000

On March 13, 2023 at 12:09:26 PM, Robert Raszuk wrote:


Robert:

Hi!

> Today a lot of implementations already support features like
> next-hop-unchanged on EBGP, or AIGP attribute etc ...
>
> Would it not be just much cleaner to enumerate explicitly those features on
> today's EBGP sessions between ASNs under the same administrative domains ?
>
> Practical aspect is that while you can define the expected behaviour of OAD
> session today - but tomorrow we will likely introduce more BGP protocols
> extensions which will not going to be reflected in this OAD document. So it is
> going to be really hard to keep track on what sides really intend to do when
> declaring on their edge OAD session type.
>
> IMHO explicitly enabling exceptions for plane EBGP sessions will be far more
> practical approach.

The intent is for the EBGP-OAD session to "allow all" so that as new extensions are introduces we don't need to update the document. ;-)  For specific applications an operator may want to only propagate certain extensions -- that can be controlled through policy. 

Any exceptions or different behavior to be called out in the draft should be for specific items only.


There are possibly multiple ways to obtain the same (or similar) outcome. :-)

Thanks!

Alvaro.