Re: [Idr] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-idr-as4bytes-11.txt
Curtis Villamizar <curtis@faster-light.net> Tue, 11 October 2005 17:39 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Idr] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-idr-as4bytes-11.txt
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 13:34:44 -0400
From: Curtis Villamizar <curtis@faster-light.net>
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The deployment of as4bytes is likely to be similar to the deployment of bgp4 itself. In both cases it is known that "bad things can happen" if a subset of core AS deploy "the new stuff" and enable "the new features", in this case start using 4 byte AS numbers. Since the day that we are actaully forced to use 4 byte AS numbers is still quite a ways off it is likely that tier-1 and tier-2 providers will deploy as4bytes capable code long before any 4 byte AS is advertised. It is also likely that providers will coordinate the deployment advertising some test AS numbers first. It is also possible that straglers will remain that have not deployed as4bytes capable code or have not enabled it, but like NASA in 1994 who were still running EGP on their Proteon routers and couldn't handle CIDR routes for a while, it is likely that these straglers are not providing major transit and won't have any impact on the rest of the Internet. Just as at the point of CIDR deployment the rule was "support CIDR or use a default route" the rule when as4bytes is deployed may have to be "support as4bytes or use a default route". If we persisted in discussing what happens in arbitrary mixed CIDR/non-CIDR and BGP/EGP networks we'd still be running EGP and the Internet would have collapsed long ago. This is not to say that some discussion isn't good but at this point we are beating a dead horse. Lets move on with as4bytes. We hopefully can assume that intelligent people are at the controls at the tier-1 and tier-2 networks for some value of intelligent that is sufficient to get this deployment right. Curtis _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr
- [Idr] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-idr-as4bytes-11.… Yakov Rekhter
- Re: [Idr] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-idr-as4bytes… Geoff Huston
- Re: [Idr] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-idr-as4bytes… Tony Tauber
- Re: [Idr] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-idr-as4bytes… Tony Li
- Re: [Idr] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-idr-as4bytes… Paul Jakma
- Re: [Idr] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-idr-as4bytes… vijay gill
- Re: [Idr] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-idr-as4bytes… Tony Li
- Re: [Idr] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-idr-as4bytes… Ran Liebermann
- Re: [Idr] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-idr-as4bytes… John Leslie
- Re: [Idr] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-idr-as4bytes… Paul Jakma
- Re: [Idr] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-idr-as4bytes… Pekka Savola
- Re: [Idr] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-idr-as4bytes… Enke Chen
- Re: [Idr] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-idr-as4bytes… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-idr-as4bytes… John Leslie
- Re: [Idr] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-idr-as4bytes… Curtis Villamizar
- Re: [Idr] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-idr-as4bytes… Paul Jakma
- Re: [Idr] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-idr-as4bytes… Paul Jakma
- [Idr] Revised text on how to construct the AS pat… Enke Chen
- [Idr] Re: Revised text on how to construct the AS… Paul Jakma
- Re: [Idr] Revised text for the 4-byte AS draft - … Geoff Huston
- Re: [Idr] Revised text for the 4-byte AS draft - … Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-idr-as4bytes… John Leslie
- Re: [Idr] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-idr-as4bytes… John Leslie
- Re: [Idr] Revised text on how to construct the AS… John Leslie
- Re: [Idr] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-idr-as4bytes… Curtis Villamizar
- Re: [Idr] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-idr-as4bytes… Tony Li
- Re: [Idr] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-idr-as4bytes… Curtis Villamizar
- Re: [Idr] Revised text for the 4-byte AS draft - … Geoff Huston
- Re: [Idr] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-idr-as4bytes… Geoff Huston
- Re: [Idr] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-idr-as4bytes… Curtis Villamizar
- [Idr] Re: Revised text on how to construct the AS… Enke Chen
- Re: [Idr] Revised text on how to construct the AS… Enke Chen
- Re: [Idr] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-idr-as4bytes… Geoff Huston
- Re: [Idr] Re: Revised text on how to construct th… Paul Jakma
- Re: [Idr] Revised text on how to construct the AS… John Leslie