Re: [ieee-ietf-coord] multicast over wifi and and IEEE-IETF coordination

["Toerless Eckert (eckert)" <[e-mail]>]

One thought i am not sure about:

Are all the wireless networks of interest in the IETF use link-layer defined
by IEEE ? Would like to make sure we have this discussion once and for all,
anf that we don't solve it once eg: for 802.11 and then unnecessary reinvent
that wheel later on for some other challenged link-layer technology.

Cheers
    Toerless

On Thu, Nov 05, 2015 at 12:49:27AM -0500, Brian Haberman wrote:
> I mentioned this to most of the people explicitly included on this note.
>  JC and Suresh are going to request a non-wg mailing list for this
> topic. Once I approve it, a broad announcement will be sent out so that
> everyone interested can join.
> 
> Regards,
> Brian
> 
> On 11/5/15 12:36 AM, Romascanu, Dan (Dan) wrote:
> > Hi Pascal,
> > 
> > I am changing the distribution list of this message adding the [e-mail] mail list and taking out int-area, 6lo, 6man, mboned to avoid too much cross-posting. 
> > 
> > I am interested in opinions from other participants in the IETF-IEEE 802 coordination activities. 
> > 
> > Note that a BOF usually takes place within IETF meeting hours, but has a list of conflicts that can include the relevant WGs in the INT (and other) areas. 
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > Dan
> > 
> > 
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) [mailto:[e-mail]]
> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:22 AM
> >> To: Romascanu, Dan (Dan); Mikael Abrahamsson; Toerless Eckert (eckert)
> >> Cc: [e-mail]; [e-mail]; [e-mail]; [e-mail]
> >> Subject: RE: multicast over wifi and and IEEE-IETF coordination
> >>
> >> Hello Dan,
> >>
> >> I'd see it useful to give this a lot of visibility and accessibility. A BoF-type
> >> meeting outside of meeting hours at this or the next IETF would probably
> >> improve that piece. INTAREA has collisions that people did not necessarily get
> >> a chance to manage in advance so interested people may miss the
> >> presentation.
> >> I would like to be sure that most interested parties have a chance to know
> >> that this is happening at all.
> >>
> >> Some of these discussion will relate to work happening at various WGs. Out
> >> of my hat and not copied above I see at least 6lo and MANET which deal with
> >> radios networks and need efficient network and service discovery. Cc ing 6lo
> >> because this is where RFC 6775 originated, and new work is taking place.
> >>
> >> There will be serious discussions, and probably documents produced in the
> >> form of best practices. This work may deserve a short-termed WG on its
> >> own. A non-Wg forming BoF would help figure all that out.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> Pascal
> >>
> >>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: ipv6 [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of Romascanu, Dan
> >>> (Dan)
> >>> Sent: mercredi 4 novembre 2015 10:52
> >>> To: Mikael Abrahamsson <[e-mail]>; Toerless Eckert (eckert)
> >>> <[e-mail]>
> >>> Cc: [e-mail]; [e-mail]; [e-mail]
> >>> Subject: RE: multicast over wifi and and IEEE-IETF coordination
> >>>
> >>> Does anybody believe there is a better/other place to go with this
> >>> information?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks and Regards,
> >>>
> >>> Dan
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: ipv6 [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of Mikael
> >>>> Abrahamsson
> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 2:57 AM
> >>>> To: Toerless Eckert
> >>>> Cc: [e-mail]; [e-mail]; [e-mail]
> >>>> Subject: Re: multicast over wifi and and IEEE-IETF coordination
> >>>>
> >>>> On Tue, 3 Nov 2015, Toerless Eckert wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> [sorry, resending with correct email aliases]
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Mikael:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Any reason to choose INTAREA ?
> >>>>
> >>>> I didn't choose anything, INTAREA was chosen by the people in the
> >>>> coordination group that includes several ADs. The multicast over
> >>>> wifi issue has been raised in multiple working groups.
> >>>>
> >>>>> There is already a draft in mboned:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> draft-mcbride-mboned-wifi-mcast-problem-statement-00.txt
> >>>>>
> >>>>> and... mboned runs in parallel to intarea this time *sigh* and...
> >>>>> i am sure mboned participants would love to hear your preso about
> >> IEEE.
> >>>>
> >>>> So thanks for including mboned so that people there are aware that
> >>>> this is discussed in INTAREA. MBONED is not alone in having
> >>>> conflicts with INTAREA, there are other low-power wireless
> >>>> technology people who also have conflicts. Please discuss this issue
> >>>> on the INTAREA mailing list, and you can watch the presentation
> >>>> (it's not mine) after the fact on for instance Meetecho. I don't
> >>>> believe there is much time for discussion in the INTAREA meeting,
> >>>> they have a packed agenda already if I
> >>> understood correctly.
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Mikael Abrahamsson    email: [e-mail]
> >>>>
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