Re: [ieee-ietf-coord] multicast over wifi and and IEEE-IETF coordination

[Brian Haberman <[e-mail]>]

Hi Toerless,
     To this point, the discussion has been focused on 802.11. I think
the IEEE folks would be in the position to talk about any other
multicast-capable 802 wireless technologies that should be considered at
the same time.

Regards,
Brian

On 11/5/15 12:57 AM, Toerless Eckert (eckert) wrote:
> One thought i am not sure about:
> 
> Are all the wireless networks of interest in the IETF use link-layer defined
> by IEEE ? Would like to make sure we have this discussion once and for all,
> anf that we don't solve it once eg: for 802.11 and then unnecessary reinvent
> that wheel later on for some other challenged link-layer technology.
> 
> Cheers
>     Toerless
> 
> On Thu, Nov 05, 2015 at 12:49:27AM -0500, Brian Haberman wrote:
>> I mentioned this to most of the people explicitly included on this note.
>>  JC and Suresh are going to request a non-wg mailing list for this
>> topic. Once I approve it, a broad announcement will be sent out so that
>> everyone interested can join.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Brian
>>
>> On 11/5/15 12:36 AM, Romascanu, Dan (Dan) wrote:
>>> Hi Pascal,
>>>
>>> I am changing the distribution list of this message adding the [e-mail] mail list and taking out int-area, 6lo, 6man, mboned to avoid too much cross-posting. 
>>>
>>> I am interested in opinions from other participants in the IETF-IEEE 802 coordination activities. 
>>>
>>> Note that a BOF usually takes place within IETF meeting hours, but has a list of conflicts that can include the relevant WGs in the INT (and other) areas. 
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Dan
>>>
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) [mailto:[e-mail]]
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:22 AM
>>>> To: Romascanu, Dan (Dan); Mikael Abrahamsson; Toerless Eckert (eckert)
>>>> Cc: [e-mail]; [e-mail]; [e-mail]; [e-mail]
>>>> Subject: RE: multicast over wifi and and IEEE-IETF coordination
>>>>
>>>> Hello Dan,
>>>>
>>>> I'd see it useful to give this a lot of visibility and accessibility. A BoF-type
>>>> meeting outside of meeting hours at this or the next IETF would probably
>>>> improve that piece. INTAREA has collisions that people did not necessarily get
>>>> a chance to manage in advance so interested people may miss the
>>>> presentation.
>>>> I would like to be sure that most interested parties have a chance to know
>>>> that this is happening at all.
>>>>
>>>> Some of these discussion will relate to work happening at various WGs. Out
>>>> of my hat and not copied above I see at least 6lo and MANET which deal with
>>>> radios networks and need efficient network and service discovery. Cc ing 6lo
>>>> because this is where RFC 6775 originated, and new work is taking place.
>>>>
>>>> There will be serious discussions, and probably documents produced in the
>>>> form of best practices. This work may deserve a short-termed WG on its
>>>> own. A non-Wg forming BoF would help figure all that out.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Pascal
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: ipv6 [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of Romascanu, Dan
>>>>> (Dan)
>>>>> Sent: mercredi 4 novembre 2015 10:52
>>>>> To: Mikael Abrahamsson <[e-mail]>; Toerless Eckert (eckert)
>>>>> <[e-mail]>
>>>>> Cc: [e-mail]; [e-mail]; [e-mail]
>>>>> Subject: RE: multicast over wifi and and IEEE-IETF coordination
>>>>>
>>>>> Does anybody believe there is a better/other place to go with this
>>>>> information?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks and Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Dan
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: ipv6 [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of Mikael
>>>>>> Abrahamsson
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 2:57 AM
>>>>>> To: Toerless Eckert
>>>>>> Cc: [e-mail]; [e-mail]; [e-mail]
>>>>>> Subject: Re: multicast over wifi and and IEEE-IETF coordination
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 3 Nov 2015, Toerless Eckert wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [sorry, resending with correct email aliases]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mikael:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Any reason to choose INTAREA ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I didn't choose anything, INTAREA was chosen by the people in the
>>>>>> coordination group that includes several ADs. The multicast over
>>>>>> wifi issue has been raised in multiple working groups.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is already a draft in mboned:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> draft-mcbride-mboned-wifi-mcast-problem-statement-00.txt
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> and... mboned runs in parallel to intarea this time *sigh* and...
>>>>>>> i am sure mboned participants would love to hear your preso about
>>>> IEEE.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So thanks for including mboned so that people there are aware that
>>>>>> this is discussed in INTAREA. MBONED is not alone in having
>>>>>> conflicts with INTAREA, there are other low-power wireless
>>>>>> technology people who also have conflicts. Please discuss this issue
>>>>>> on the INTAREA mailing list, and you can watch the presentation
>>>>>> (it's not mine) after the fact on for instance Meetecho. I don't
>>>>>> believe there is much time for discussion in the INTAREA meeting,
>>>>>> they have a packed agenda already if I
>>>>> understood correctly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Mikael Abrahamsson    email: [e-mail]
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