Re: [ietf-dkim] SSP issues
Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> Fri, 01 June 2007 12:54 UTC
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Hi Jim, Barry and I would like us to do the following: Continue the discussion on the list for a few more days since not all the usual suspects have reacted yet (please do!) and the context is slightly different (with XPTR anyway) from the (many;-) other times we've discussed these topics in the past. Then, (say the week after next?) you get the co-authors of draft-ietf-dkim-ssp-00 together and just pick your current best answer for each relevant issue and submit the -00 around June 24. If you think some concalls/jabbering or whatever will help there, just let Barry & I know. Then, we'll look for offers of concrete alternative text to be sent to the list before Chicago. In Chicago we discuss. With one another and with the DNS folks. And then (back on the list) we resolve each of these well-worn issues once and for all (using strawpolls or whatever's necessary) over the following weeks and aim for a draft on which we can have WGLC in September. (With the reality being that it'll be October before we're ready.) Regards Stephen & Barry. Jim Fenton wrote: > What we had hoped to do in the next revision of the allman-ssp draft was to unify it as much as possible with Phill Hallam-Baker's draft. I opened three new issues on April 16 that I think need to be resolved in order to do that. > > (1) Use of XPTR records for SSP. The idea here is to create a more general policy mechanism that can be used by WS-* and such. There were about 20 messages discussing this from 5 people. I'm not reading a clear consensus on this. > > (2) SSP record type (TXT vs. something new). Only 4 messages in discussion, mostly saying "if you support TXT, don't bother with anything else." Again, no clear consensus. > > (3) Upward query vs. wildcard publication. 27 messages in discussion from 15 people. Most of the discussion was a rehash of the idea of associating semantics with DNS zone-cuts, which we had already discussed and rejected. I have also been trying to get an opinion from DNSOP on the idea of a one-level upward search (which I think solves 90% of the problem), but haven't gotten any response. > > So I don't know what to write in a revision of the draft. I could just write my opinions, but that's basically what's in the draft-allman-dkim-ssp-02 draft already and doesn't make any progress toward unifying the different proposals. I want to get something done soon, well before the July 2 deadline. > > -Jim > _______________________________________________ > NOTE WELL: This list operates according to > http://mipassoc.org/dkim/ietf-list-rules.html > _______________________________________________ NOTE WELL: This list operates according to http://mipassoc.org/dkim/ietf-list-rules.html
- [ietf-dkim] SSP issues Jim Fenton
- Re: [ietf-dkim] SSP issues Scott Kitterman
- Re: [ietf-dkim] SSP issues Michael Thomas
- Re: [ietf-dkim] SSP issues william(at)elan.net
- Re: [ietf-dkim] SSP issues Douglas Otis
- Re: [ietf-dkim] SSP issues Scott Kitterman
- Re: [ietf-dkim] SSP issues william(at)elan.net
- Re: [ietf-dkim] SSP issues Michael Thomas
- Re: [ietf-dkim] SSP issues Douglas Otis
- Re: [ietf-dkim] SSP issues Hector Santos
- Re: [ietf-dkim] SSP issues Steve Atkins
- Re: [ietf-dkim] SSP issues John Levine
- Re: [ietf-dkim] SSP issues John L
- Re: [ietf-dkim] SSP issues John L
- Re: [ietf-dkim] SSP issues Graham Murray
- Re: [ietf-dkim] Domain Lists versus SSP Wildcards Douglas Otis
- RE: [ietf-dkim] SSP issues Hallam-Baker, Phillip
- Re: [ietf-dkim] SSP issues Jim Fenton
- Re: [ietf-dkim] SSP issues Jim Fenton
- RE: [ietf-dkim] SSP issues Bill.Oxley
- Re: [ietf-dkim] SSP issues Jim Fenton
- RE: [ietf-dkim] SSP issues Bill.Oxley
- Re: [ietf-dkim] Domain Lists versus SSP wildcards Douglas Otis
- Re: [ietf-dkim] SSP issues Stephen Farrell
- Re: [ietf-dkim] SSP issues Jim Fenton
- Re: [ietf-dkim] SSP issues Arvel Hathcock
- Re: [ietf-dkim] SSP issues Hector Santos
- Re: [ietf-dkim] SSP issues Steve Atkins
- Re: [ietf-dkim] SSP issues Hector Santos
- Re: [ietf-dkim] SSP issues TXT and no wildcards. Douglas Otis
- Re: [ietf-dkim] SSP issues Eliot Lear
- Re: [ietf-dkim] SSP issues Hector Santos
- Re: [ietf-dkim] SSP issues Eliot Lear
- [ietf-dkim] Single Organization TXT Lookup with M… Hector Santos
- [ietf-dkim] Re: Single Organization TXT Lookup wi… Douglas Otis
- Re: [ietf-dkim] SSP issues Scott Kitterman
- Re: [ietf-dkim] SSP issues Steve Atkins
- Re: [ietf-dkim] SSP issues Scott Kitterman
- Re: [ietf-dkim] SSP issues Douglas Otis
- Re: [ietf-dkim] SSP issues Steve Atkins
- Re: [ietf-dkim] SSP issues Scott Kitterman
- Re: [ietf-dkim] SSP issues J.D. Falk
- Re: [ietf-dkim] SSP issues Scott Kitterman
- Re: [ietf-dkim] SSP issues Steve Atkins
- Re: [ietf-dkim] SSP issues Dave Crocker
- Re: [ietf-dkim] SSP issues John Levine
- Re: [ietf-dkim] SSP issues Steve Atkins
- Re: [ietf-dkim] TXT wildcards SSP issues John Levine
- Re: [ietf-dkim] TXT wildcards SSP issues Steve Atkins
- Re: [ietf-dkim] SSP issues Douglas Otis
- Re: [ietf-dkim] TXT wildcards SSP issues william(at)elan.net
- Re: [ietf-dkim] TXT wildcards SSP issues John Levine
- RE: [ietf-dkim] SSP issues Hallam-Baker, Phillip
- RE: [ietf-dkim] SSP issues Hallam-Baker, Phillip
- RE: [ietf-dkim] SSP issues Hallam-Baker, Phillip
- RE: [ietf-dkim] TXT wildcards SSP issues Hallam-Baker, Phillip
- MX dot RE: [ietf-dkim] TXT wildcards SSP issues Hallam-Baker, Phillip
- Re: MX dot RE: [ietf-dkim] TXT wildcards SSP issu… Steve Atkins
- RE: MX dot RE: [ietf-dkim] TXT wildcards SSP issu… Hallam-Baker, Phillip
- Re: [ietf-dkim] TXT wildcards SSP issues Scott Kitterman
- MX dot was (Re: [ietf-dkim] TXT wildcards SSP iss… Steve Atkins
- Re: [ietf-dkim] TXT wildcards SSP issues Douglas Otis
- Re: [ietf-dkim] TXT wildcards SSP issues Scott Kitterman
- Re: MX dot was (Re: [ietf-dkim] TXT wildcards SSP… Scott Kitterman
- Re: MX dot was (Re: [ietf-dkim] TXT wildcards SSP… Douglas Otis
- Re: MX dot was (Re: [ietf-dkim] TXT wildcards SSP… Eliot Lear
- Re: [ietf-dkim] TXT wildcards SSP issues Douglas Otis
- Re: MX dot was (Re: [ietf-dkim] TXT wildcards SSP… Steve Atkins
- Re: MX dot was (Re: [ietf-dkim] TXT wildcards SSP… Scott Kitterman
- Re: MX dot was (Re: [ietf-dkim] TXT wildcards SSP… Douglas Otis
- Re: MX dot was (Re: [ietf-dkim] TXT wildcards SSP… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [ietf-dkim] SSP issues Steve Atkins
- Re: MX dot was (Re: [ietf-dkim] TXT wildcards SSP… Charles Lindsey
- RE: MX dot was (Re: [ietf-dkim] TXT wildcards SSP… Hallam-Baker, Phillip
- Re: [ietf-dkim] Re: Single Organization TXT Looku… Damon
- Re: [ietf-dkim] SSP issues Damon
- Re: MX dot was (Re: [ietf-dkim] TXT wildcards SSP… Michael Thomas
- Re: [ietf-dkim] Re: Single Organization TXT Looku… Douglas Otis
- Re: [ietf-dkim] SSP issues Jim Fenton
- Re: MX dot was (Re: [ietf-dkim] TXT wildcards SSP… Damon
- Re: [ietf-dkim] SSP issues Douglas Otis
- Re: MX dot was (Re: [ietf-dkim] TXT wildcards SSP… Douglas Otis
- Re: MX dot was (Re: [ietf-dkim] TXT wildcards SSP… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [ietf-dkim] SSP issues Michael Thomas
- Re: MX dot was (Re: [ietf-dkim] TXT wildcards SSP… Douglas Otis
- Re: MX dot was (Re: [ietf-dkim] TXT wildcards SSP… stephen.farrell
- RE: MX dot was (Re: [ietf-dkim] TXT wildcards SSP… Bill.Oxley
- Re: MX dot was (Re: [ietf-dkim] TXT wildcards SSP… Hector Santos
- Re: MX dot was (Re: [ietf-dkim] TXT wildcards SSP… Douglas Otis
- [ietf-dkim] I think we can punt the hard stuff as… Hallam-Baker, Phillip
- [ietf-dkim] Re: I think we can punt the hard stuf… Michael Thomas
- [ietf-dkim] RE: I think we can punt the hard stuf… Hallam-Baker, Phillip
- [ietf-dkim] Re: I think we can punt the hard stuf… Michael Thomas
- [ietf-dkim] RE: I think we can punt the hard stuf… Hallam-Baker, Phillip
- Re: [ietf-dkim] I think we can punt the hard stuf… Douglas Otis
- Re: [ietf-dkim] RE: I think we can punt the hard … Hector Santos
- [ietf-dkim] Re: I think we can punt the hard stuf… Michael Thomas
- Re: [ietf-dkim] RE: I think we can punt the hard … Hector Santos
- RE: [ietf-dkim] RE: I think we can punt the hard … Hallam-Baker, Phillip
- Re: [ietf-dkim] SSP issues Hector Santos
- Re: [ietf-dkim] RE: I think we can punt the hard … Hector Santos
- RE: [ietf-dkim] RE: I think we can punt the hard … Hallam-Baker, Phillip
- Re: [ietf-dkim] RE: I think we can punt the hard … Hector Santos
- RE: [ietf-dkim] RE: I think we can punt the hard … Hallam-Baker, Phillip
- Re: [ietf-dkim] RE: I think we can punt the hard … Stephen Farrell
- Re: [ietf-dkim] RE: I think we can punt the hard … Stephen Farrell
- Re: [ietf-dkim] RE: I think we can punt the hard … Hector Santos
- Re: [ietf-dkim] RE: I think we can punt the hard … Hector Santos
- RE: [ietf-dkim] RE: I think we can punt the hard … Bill.Oxley
- Re: MX dot was (Re: [ietf-dkim] TXT wildcards SSP… Damon
- RE: [ietf-dkim] RE: I think we can punt the hard … Hallam-Baker, Phillip
- Re: [ietf-dkim] RE: I think we can punt the hard … Hector Santos
- Re: MX dot was (Re: [ietf-dkim] TXT wildcards SSP… Hector Santos
- Re: [ietf-dkim] RE: I think we can punt the hard … Hector Santos
- RE: [ietf-dkim] RE: I think we can punt the hard … Hallam-Baker, Phillip
- RE: [ietf-dkim] RE: I think we can punt the hard … Bill.Oxley
- Re: [ietf-dkim] RE: I think we can punt the hard … Hector Santos
- Re: [ietf-dkim] RE: I think we can punt the hard … Douglas Otis
- Re: [ietf-dkim] RE: I think we can punt the hard … Hector Santos
- Re: MX dot was (Re: [ietf-dkim] TXT wildcards SSP… Charles Lindsey
- Re: [ietf-dkim] RE: I think we can punt the hard … Stephen Farrell
- RE: [ietf-dkim] RE: I think we can punt the hard … Bill.Oxley
- Re: MX dot was (Re: [ietf-dkim] TXT wildcards SSP… Damon
- Re: [ietf-dkim] RE: I think we can punt the hard … Hector Santos
- [ietf-dkim] lets add one more shall we? Bill.Oxley
- Re: [ietf-dkim] RE: I think we can punt the hard … Hector Santos
- Re: [ietf-dkim] RE: I think we can punt the hard … Hector Santos
- Re: [ietf-dkim] RE: I think we can punt the hard … Stephen Farrell
- Re: [ietf-dkim] RE: I think we can punt the hard … Hector Santos
- Re: [ietf-dkim] lets add one more shall we? Douglas Otis
- Re: MX dot was (Re: [ietf-dkim] TXT wildcards SSP… Hector Santos
- Re: [ietf-dkim] RE: I think we can punt the hard … Stephen Farrell
- Re: [ietf-dkim] lets add one more shall we? Douglas Otis
- Re: [ietf-dkim] RE: I think we can punt the hard … Hector Santos
- Re: [ietf-dkim] RE: I think we can punt the hard … Stephen Farrell
- RE: [ietf-dkim] RE: I think we can punt the hard … Hallam-Baker, Phillip
- [ietf-dkim] "I sign everything" != "No mail" Michael Thomas
- Re: MX dot was (Re: [ietf-dkim] TXT wildcards SSP… Jon Callas
- [ietf-dkim] SSP DOMAIN Discovery Relationship to … Hector Santos
- Re: MX dot was (Re: [ietf-dkim] TXT wildcards SSP… Steve Atkins
- RE: MX dot was (Re: [ietf-dkim] TXT wildcards SSP… Bill.Oxley
- Re: MX dot was (Re: [ietf-dkim] TXT wildcards SSP… Hector Santos
- Re: MX dot was (Re: [ietf-dkim] TXT wildcards SSP… Damon
- Re: MX dot was (Re: [ietf-dkim] TXT wildcards SSP… Michael Thomas
- Re: [ietf-dkim] lets add one more shall we? Hector Santos
- Re: MX dot was (Re: [ietf-dkim] TXT wildcards SSP… Hector Santos
- Re: MX dot was (Re: [ietf-dkim] TXT wildcards SSP… Douglas Otis
- Re: MX dot was (Re: [ietf-dkim] TXT wildcards SSP… Douglas Otis
- Re: MX dot was (Re: [ietf-dkim] TXT wildcards SSP… Hector Santos
- Re: MX dot was (Re: [ietf-dkim] TXT wildcards SSP… Steve Atkins
- Re: MX dot was (Re: [ietf-dkim] TXT wildcards SSP… Jon Callas
- Re: [ietf-dkim] RE: I think we can punt the hard … Jim Fenton
- Re: MX dot was (Re: [ietf-dkim] TXT wildcards SSP… Jim Fenton
- Re: MX dot was (Re: [ietf-dkim] TXT wildcards SSP… Hector Santos
- Re: [ietf-dkim] lets add one more shall we? Charles Lindsey
- Re: MX dot was (Re: [ietf-dkim] TXT wildcards SSP… Hector Santos
- Re: [ietf-dkim] lets add one more shall we? Hector Santos
- Re: MX dot was (Re: [ietf-dkim] TXT wildcards SSP… Jim Fenton
- Re: MX dot was (Re: [ietf-dkim] TXT wildcards SSP… william(at)elan.net
- Re: MX dot was (Re: [ietf-dkim] TXT wildcards SSP… Damon
- Re: MX dot was (Re: [ietf-dkim] TXT wildcards SSP… Steve Atkins
- [ietf-dkim] Zone Files Hector Santos
- Re: MX dot was (Re: [ietf-dkim] TXT wildcards SSP… Hector Santos
- Re: MX dot was (Re: [ietf-dkim] TXT wildcards SSP… Hector Santos
- Re: MX dot was (Re: [ietf-dkim] TXT wildcards SSP… Jim Fenton
- Re: [ietf-dkim] lets add one more shall we? Charles Lindsey
- Re: MX dot was (Re: [ietf-dkim] TXT wildcards SSP… Jon Callas
- Re: MX dot was (Re: [ietf-dkim] TXT wildcards SSP… Jon Callas
- Re: MX dot was (Re: [ietf-dkim] TXT wildcards SSP… Douglas Otis
- Re: [ietf-dkim] Zone Files Charles Lindsey
- Re: MX dot was (Re: [ietf-dkim] TXT wildcards SSP… Hector Santos
- Re: MX dot was (Re: [ietf-dkim] TXT wildcards SSP… Hector Santos
- Re: MX dot was (Re: [ietf-dkim] TXT wildcards SSP… Wietse Venema
- Re: MX dot was (Re: [ietf-dkim] TXT wildcards SSP… Hector Santos
- RE: MX dot was (Re: [ietf-dkim] TXT wildcards SSP… Bill.Oxley
- Re: MX dot was (Re: [ietf-dkim] TXT wildcards SSP… Hector Santos
- Re: [ietf-dkim] Zone Files Hector Santos
- Re: [ietf-dkim] Zone Files william(at)elan.net
- Re: [ietf-dkim] Zone Files Steve Atkins
- Re: MX dot was (Re: [ietf-dkim] TXT wildcards SSP… J.D. Falk
- Re: MX dot was (Re: [ietf-dkim] TXT wildcards SSP… SM
- Re: MX dot was (Re: [ietf-dkim] TXT wildcards SSP… Douglas Otis
- RE: MX dot was (Re: [ietf-dkim] TXT wildcards SSP… Patrick Peterson
- RE: [ietf-dkim] RE: I think we can punt the hard … Patrick Peterson
- Re: MX dot was (Re: [ietf-dkim] TXT wildcards SSP… Jim Fenton
- Re: MX dot was (Re: [ietf-dkim] TXT wildcards SSP… Douglas Otis
- Re: [ietf-dkim] RE: I think we can punt the hard … Jim Fenton
- Re: [ietf-dkim] RE: I think we can punt the hard … Hector Santos
- Re: [ietf-dkim] RE: I think we can punt the hard … John Levine
- Re: [ietf-dkim] RE: I think we can punt the hard … Hector Santos
- Re: MX dot was (Re: [ietf-dkim] TXT wildcards SSP… Wietse Venema
- Re: [ietf-dkim] RE: I think we can punt the hard … Douglas Otis
- Re: MX dot was (Re: [ietf-dkim] TXT wildcards SSP… John Levine
- Re: MX dot was (Re: [ietf-dkim] TXT wildcards SSP… Hector Santos
- Re: [ietf-dkim] lets add one more shall we? Jeff Macdonald
- Re: [ietf-dkim] RE: I think we can punt the hard … Jeff Macdonald
- Re: [ietf-dkim] RE: I think we can punt the hard … Hector Santos
- Re: [ietf-dkim] RE: I think we can punt the hard … Douglas Otis
- Re: [ietf-dkim] RE: I think we can punt the hard … Douglas Otis
- Re: [ietf-dkim] RE: I think we can punt the hard … John L
- Re: [ietf-dkim] RE: I think we can punt the hard … Hector Santos
- Re: [ietf-dkim] RE: I think we can punt the hard … Douglas Otis
- Re: [ietf-dkim] RE: I think we can punt the hard … Hector Santos
- Re: [ietf-dkim] RE: I think we can punt the hard … Douglas Otis
- Re: [ietf-dkim] RE: I think we can punt the hard … Hector Santos
- Re: [ietf-dkim] RE: I think we can punt the hard … Jim Fenton
- Re: [ietf-dkim] RE: I think we can punt the hard … Hector Santos
- Re: [ietf-dkim] RE: I think we can punt the hard … Hector Santos
- Re: MX dot was (Re: [ietf-dkim] TXT wildcards SSP… Steve Atkins
- Re: MX dot was (Re: [ietf-dkim] TXT wildcards SSP… Douglas Otis